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Published Date: 07 January 2009
CHRIS Porter could be playing one of his final games for Motherwell tonight if Csaba Laszlo has his way and takes the striker to Tynecastle. The Hearts manager, whose team visit Fir Park on league duty this evening, yesterday confirmed his interest in signing Porter – and also made a brief and tantalising mention of the Hibernian striker Steven Fletcher.
"A very good player," Laszlo responded when asked what he thought of Porter. "Definitely Porter is a player which 100 per cent can pass to my team and my concept. He's definitely a very interesting player. Also Fletcher from Hibs . . . ."

Laszlo laughed nervously after that last remark, as if it were a piece of light mischief-making in the build-up to Sunday's Scottish Cup match between the Edinburgh clubs, and a club source later insisted it had been intended as a joke. But, while it is virtually inconceivable that Hearts would be able to afford Fletcher, it is not implausible that the Hibs player would feature on a list drawn up by the Hearts manager of players he would like to see at Tynecastle.

That might largely be a wish list rather than anything related to reality, but Laszlo went on to say he had submitted a lengthy list of names to the board of directors, and that he wanted to bring in more Scots in addition to the Inverness Caley Thistle player Ian Black, who has signed a pre-contract. "At the moment I have a lot of names – I gave about 25 to the board," he continued. "I have an intention to bring in more Scottish players for the future. Black is not the finish."

Hearts will probably have to sell at least one player before being able to bid for anyone else, and, at present, Christophe Berra appears the most likely to move on during the transfer window. Fulham are reportedly ready to bid for the captain and centre-half, and, while Laszlo has yet to hear anything official, he said he would be proud if any of his players were able to move on to a higher level.

"At the moment I don't have any information from the board about Christophe Berra," said Laszlo. "I don't think this week we change something.

"I'm always happy if players move on to a higher level. I saw in the papers an offer of £3million for the top scorer in the league. And I also saw £2.5million for Christophe Berra and I am very proud, because one is a striker and this is a defender. I have so many plans. One is what to do if we lose some players. But the decision is not in my hands. If I have to work with the reserve team, I make a good team with them."

Employing a lengthy mountaineering analogy, he then suggested that the present Hearts squad might have reached a plateau and needed "more oxygen" if they were to resume their progress. "Oxygen must come this month, maybe to keep or go a little higher," he said. "And oxygen is not always to bring in somebody new."

He knows that any business completed this month might only be a temporary measure. In the longer term, he is looking to overhaul a squad which is too big. With 24 players of all age groups out of contract in the summer, he knows the close season will give him the chance to do that. "In May maybe it will be possible to get a new team and I can make the next step," he said. "I would like to have a squad of 25 players, not 40."

Laszlo went on to claim that he had unnamed players from Spain, Portugal and Germany interested in joining Hearts, but when he selects his team to take on Motherwell tonight there is only one novel option open to him – Calum Elliot, with the striker back from a successful loan spell at Livingston.

"It was very positive for Calum to go out for half a year," Laszlo said of the Livingston move, which came after a spell at Tynecastle in which Elliot was at times booed by a section of the Hearts support. "I told him if you have a good half season, believe me, I don't forget you.

He did not have a very good friendship with our fans, but if he starts to score they will accept him." Elliot is in the squad for this evening's match but is unlikely to start. Laryea Kingston could miss out with a hamstring inflammation but should be available for Sunday, while Bruno Aguiar is definitely out tonight but will resume training tomorrow with a view to being ready for Sunday.

Christos Karipidis is also expected to be omitted from the squad to play Motherwell in the hope that he will shake off an ankle injury in time to play at Easter Road. And Jason Thomson, who was concussed against Hibs, has recovered and is available for selection. Laszlo believes the fact Hibs have no midweek game will probably work in their favour. "I think Hibs have an advantage – if you see the Motherwell ground it's not the best and the possibility of injury is high," he said.

The full article contains 883 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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07/01/2009 00:27:55
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Forward not Back,

07/01/2009 00:28:33
Good to read Bruno should be back for Sunday. Hopefully we have enough to scrape a victory tonight to set us up nicely for then.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 00:43:08
The new Rangers taking shape nicely.
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Wee Pal Joe,

07/01/2009 00:47:19
Fans of clubs other than Rangers (especially Celtic) generally think Boyd is a pretty useless player anyway. :0)
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 00:51:00
McGreedy says sorry, but the "angry dwarf" doesnae accept it.

Oot the door, if anyone will take him
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jerrymanders,

07/01/2009 00:59:02
Boydchenko is away. FF is in meltdown.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 01:03:02
#8

Lined up in a row with contracts ready to sign.

All it needs now is a wee bank transfer
8

I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 01:12:17
Boyd could still end up as the top goal scorer in the SPL for the season.

An interesting thought.

Anyhow, Rangers now going for pace up front with the new signings (to be announced in the next few days)
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Jon Bon Jovi,

07/01/2009 01:12:52

while boyd has his limits is there anyone with a better scoring record than him currently in europe???

and swap him for a guy who cant buy a goal in domestic football ala lafferty!!!

title suicide!!!!
10

Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 01:48:38
Boyd is being sold because Sir Minty Moonbeams desperately needs the money. It looks like thepundit and BTO are the only 2 Gers fans on the planet who agree with the sale of their top scorer half-way through a critical season for them. Have a look at Follow Follow and other Rangers forums.

If Walter sold the entire first team and brought in nobody, these two brainwashed idiots would STILL spin it as a positive move because in their eyes, Murray and Walter can do no wrong.

Deluded fools.

Great for us though. 4 in a row is a cert now.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 01:50:59
#14

I'm a results based type, not a spin merchant.

That's the difference between us.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 02:05:09
Deary me...Where will it all end?

At this rate there will be no one left at Ibrox and the stadium might have to be renamed "The Marie Celeste" after the doomed,directionless,unmanned vessel of the same name.

In the meantime,Champions Celtic continue to go from strength t strength..
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 02:05:59
#16 Can you have a "Mass" panic at Ibrox?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 02:08:37
Is it just me that thinks the arrival of Norn Iron players in Davis,Laugherty and now possibly Healy means that RFC are now trying to pander to the only section of their support that will accept the wholesale dismantling of the first team squad?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 02:21:26
I think Healy would be a first rate signing.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 02:38:28
#20 A band aid for a severed limb if ever there was one....
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 02:41:54
#20 Absolute rubbish. You know sod all about him. Anyway, it alters nowt.

Rangers are selling their top scorer half-way through the season while 5 points adrift of Celtic. It makes absolutely no football sense. It is a financial move to the benefit of Murray. It is a panic move.

Rangers may well buy a couple or 3 players, but I guarantee their net spend will be a profit of at least 5 million. The most slaeable players will be shown the door.

It's meltdown time at Ibrox.

Oh how we laughed.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 02:45:34
#22

You are a "template poster", and you know it.

I base my posts on years of experience.
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Championees,

Aloha from Hawaii 07/01/2009 02:48:35
Just a thought but will rearangers get the full 3.5mil for Boyd or will a chunk of that be going to Killie for a sell on clause, I seem to recall Rearngers being told to f/off when they first tried to sign him, then coming back with another offer, so you would think that Killie would be looking for a peice of the action, ala Mr. Miller.

Mahalo.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

Cheeseburger in Paradise 07/01/2009 03:02:27
#24 Hi cousin!

I was thinking the same thing.Once the player,agent and previous club get their divvie,there might'nt be that much for Sid Murray to stave off the loan sharks ...Sid will just say "Oh well!Who else can we punt?"
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C_M_S,

07/01/2009 03:06:08
Good move for Boyd; he's getting out while he's on a high, before he has a barren spell and loses value in the transfer market.

Poor move for Rangers, they'll miss his goals against the wee teams and their away record against the bottom 6 could end up losing them any chance of the title, just like last season.

Interesting to see who comes in, if anybody (is Healy a done deal?).
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 03:13:26
I suspect the Healy angle is to sweeten the bitterest pill being force fed the shell shocked 'gers fans....

The one question we all want an answer to is this.If you sell your top striker when you are lagging behind in a league you MUST win this season,is there ANYONE at the club without a sale tag attached to his jersey?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 03:21:07
I'll be here posting when McFadden signs for Rangers.
24

Daillyman,

07/01/2009 03:39:27
22

Healy 70 international appearances for his country scored 35goals.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 03:41:11
If Spurs buy Downing from Boro, do you think McGeady will be his replacement?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 03:47:53
Quite honestly, I don't think any team could be bothered with having to deal with McGreedy's repeated childish behaviour
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C_M_S,

07/01/2009 04:23:42
I don't think Mcgeady's going anywhere. I think he's going to buckle down and realise a player can't be bigger than the club, mush to the disappointment of many in Scotland.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 04:26:04
#33

America?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 04:37:42
#35

The poor man's Beckham.

Later moves from Canada to Australia so he can play regular first team football again.
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C_M_S,

07/01/2009 04:41:28
We'll see. Whatever happens with McGeady, it'll not chsnge the fact Celtic have a stronger squad going into the second half of the season, even before the Ibrox Fire Sale.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 05:01:24
#40

It could be a lot worse for Rangers.

We could have McManus and Caldwell playing, and McGreedy just picking up a pay cheque
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:14:17
McGeady is going nowhere. The only departures from Celtic will be the likes of Killen, Balde, Naylor etc.

Just been reading Follow Follow. It really is hilarious. The bears are revolting :)

10 in a row coming your way.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:21:02
43

If you know its revolting why read it?

I'm a bluenose and I would not bother with it.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:23:36
Say this again if Downing leaves Boro, MeGeady takes his place, and Boro still make a healthy profit.

Said last night Boyd was off to the Brummies.
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huggs,

07/01/2009 05:24:11
All the weegie soap dodgers sneaking out there bed once again to hijack another Hearts thread
January sales have started at Ibrox then selling your top goalscorer when trailing Celtic in the leauge

Yet when the Jambos start selling the bigots will ste there alarm clocks for 3 in the morning get up from under there big coats on the couch and start having a pop at us

HHGH
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:25:56
49

Hey Huggs you ever heard of different time zones around the world?
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:26:15
#46 Daillyman - When I read your first sentence I laughed cos I thought you were joking. I read your second sentence and realised you were being serious.

When I said "The bears are revolting" I meant they are up in arms, on the warpath, protesting etc.
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:27:16
Huggs thinks Brisbane is in Lanarkshire.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:31:26
51 BB

Why protest, with Boyd in the line up we are 5 points behind, he cost 400k and they get 3.75mil.

Healy to come in for 1mil, and we can play Lafferty up front.

We also have that ex Hearts superstar Velicki, who should now be taken out of mothballs,, all is not lost.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:32:16
52

Huggs is sleep walking.
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:32:20
From what I have been reading on a few sites, Rangers really are in dire financial straits. One source says Rangers will be spending nothing this window and all money coming in from player sales will go straight to the bank. Another claims that, as MIH financial year ends on 31 Jan, any player purchases will need to be daone on 1st and 2nd Feb. The transfer window closes on 2nd Feb this year. Several sources claim the bank is calling the shots and Murray doesn't have the money to bail out Rangers any more.

Oh how we laughed.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 05:33:30
Huggs

What time does your milkround start?

Or is it office cleaning......
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:36:14
55

I'll bet you were not laughing when the bailiffs were getting ready to change the locks at Celtic Park,, then Fergus ran to the rescue.

The he ran off with his 40mil profit to the Bahamas.

The wee man did well all round.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:36:55
56

He's up to make the rolls.
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:38:10
Chick Young says "Rangers will accept bids for anyone right now."

Davie Provan and co on Radio Clyde earlier saying the bank are the ones who are forcing the agenda.

Chick Young again "Rangers will NOT be spending any money."

I say "This is fun."
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Jon Bon Jovi,

07/01/2009 05:39:42
#53
laugherty..... come on, i dint know they stacked sh*t that high!!!
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:40:54
60

Watch the fallout in the EPL over the next 12 months.

Some clubs have more debt than small countries.
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:42:11
#58 - Daillyman.

Of course I wasn't laughing.

Anyway, there is no talk of Rangers going into Administration. It wouldn't happen.

They'll just continue to be skint and fall further behind Celtic for years to come.

And when Rangers are fighting for a top 6 place in a couple of years, BTO and thepundit will still be telling us all what a wonderful manager Jimmy Calderwood is.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:42:20
61

Only time will tell.
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Jon Bon Jovi,

07/01/2009 05:44:04

does anyone actually listen to chick young??

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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:45:12
Just himself
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:46:27
#65 - No, but believe me, when HE starts dishing out bad new about his beloved Rangers, it is time to sit up and take notice.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 05:47:25
#65

He's no even funny enough to have the right to post on here.

And that's saying something
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:49:24
#57 thepundit.

I made 7 different points and your reply is "Nonsense on both points"

So I am right on 5 points? Which 2 are nonsense?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 05:50:31
#69

BB

Are you Alex Salmond?
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huggs,

07/01/2009 05:51:09
#56 Thats right i am doing my Milk round round with my lap top on the back of my float? Or office cleaning where the generous people have left there pc's on so i can browse at everything they do all day
Or indeed i could be up making the rolls
I must be brave coming on here at weegie time
Is this what you all do when your rattling and the chemist and off licence are yet to open ?
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:52:53
BB

He is telling us nothing that is not common knowledge.

Money is tight, deadwood players not contributing must be removed from the wage bill.

McCulloch fee 750k-1mil
Beasley fee 350k
Hendami free or any fee
Burke fee 250k
Adam fee 250k

Those alone must pull in 50-60k a week between them.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 05:53:20
Huggs

If you win the lottery is the first you are going to buy a new breadknife or a toaster?
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Brisbane Bhoy,

07/01/2009 05:53:59
Rangers are due to pay Burnley another 1m towards the Laugherty transfer fee by the end of this month.

Also, Kilmarnock are due a percentage of the Boyd transfer fee.

I hope Murray isn't reading all this as it could send him over the edge.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:55:20
71

Huggs we just showed to have a wee blether about the football with you. Its bl00dy cold here in Canada.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 05:56:56
74 BB

The tic support know more about the finances at Ibrox than the club accountants. lol
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 06:00:21
Huggs are you making the tea.
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huggs,

07/01/2009 06:15:07
Dailyman thats right they fly me out for four weeks just to make tea,I also drive the forklift you should see the size of the kettle
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07/01/2009 06:26:59
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 06:59:49
#79

Who cares one way or the other if Rangers build a new stadium or not?

Priority is what goes on on the pitch.

That's why the Rangers fans are concentrating their comments on the football, and not the construction industry.
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jumpship,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 07:51:21
Think it would be brilliant if rankgers went bust.

Celtic would have to move leagues or die in the SPL .

If rankgers went bust. Celtic would lose 85% of their fans. No bigotry to keep them interested.
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Silence of the Yams,

07/01/2009 08:12:28
Laugherty is worth more than hu n hero Boydy? lol!
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the beast,

London 07/01/2009 08:15:53
Tott,

He done a bit of work yesterday on the Gary Glen story so today is cut and paste day, with a big session down the boozer this afternoon and dreams of the blonde barmaid not far from the back of his mind, now how will he aproach her today? Answers on a post card please and keep it clean!!
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Rambo The Jambo,

4-0 at Hampden 07/01/2009 08:20:43
Larry Lafferty more like.

How much did the H-ns pay for Kris Boyd?
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the west end general,

07/01/2009 08:21:37
the sad thing is that Bathgate used to be a good writer ( as was Leckie ) but now seems to have given up.the sooner the boy from the Guardian moves over to the Scotsman stable the better.
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The Falcon,

Above and watching 07/01/2009 08:36:52
#82 T*t o'the Toun

On the contrary - Fletcher will just put two past you to remind you what a forward is meant to do and to enforce that you can't afford him.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

07/01/2009 08:48:34
#87 Or it could mean we are interested in Porter. This is silly season and we're going to be linked with all and sundry. Mark McGhee said he was interested in Don Cowie and basically anyone out of contract in summer like Porter or Cowie is fair game. I tend to think anyone we really are interested in will be kept quiet though.

#88 Aye because he did that on Saturday right enough. In all seriousness, Hibs have two very dangerous strikers and little in midfield or wide and we have good midfielders and wingers but no real threat up front right now so that's where the game will be won and lost, says Mr Obvious. Defences and goalies could do anything on the day.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 09:10:03
#91

Do you have no opinions to offer, or can we just expect the same post ten times a day for the rest of the year
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 07/01/2009 09:21:23
92,

Here's an opinion for you. Why don't you and your pen pals clear off and let others comment on the article instead of a non-related topic. And don't say it's an open forum to discuss whatever people want. The post counter clearly says "comments on this article".

On cue; Porter has scored more goals than anybody at Hearts this season in a very poor side so he woud clearly be an improvement on what we already have.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 09:28:19
#94

Is your mother a primary school teacher?
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 09:31:19
#94. 100% correct. There is a danger the bigot brigade will take over all unrelated posts. Their poison shuts down own posts and regardless how it starts with banter, rancour inevitably sets in and all posts get removed.



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Eddie,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 10:06:49
I thought Laszlo was in charge.
Any one from 25? No idea who's going? It's all up to the 'Board"?
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Rouleur,

On ma bike 07/01/2009 10:09:48
Well this is the first time I have posted on here since 27 Dec as I was too sore to read the Celtic fans gloating. However after reading this article I think they have every right to. Rangers have as with last season's sale of Hutton at this point in the calendar shown that we are skint and happy to concede the league to balance the books.

For all of Boyd's frailties the player could score for fun against the oppostion. Ok he's not great for Europe or Celtic games but horses for courses and this man delivered when we needed it.

I would not be so disheartened if we either got a ludicrous fee £6-7m or had a ready made replacement. However the fee represents a recouping of the fee we paid for Kyle and will not buy us a man of his capabilities.

Kris, I wish you well and I hope you score a barrow load for BCFC.
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BazJT,

07/01/2009 10:24:53
#94Pedantic and #96GrahamH

I think I may have the answer to get rid of our unwanted ‘friends’ from the West. They’ve obviously nothing better to do with themselves so we need to fill that gap for them. The answer, a new board game designed solely for Weegies called Bigotopoly.

Obviously based on the popular board game but with several changes. GO becomes ‘THE OFFY’, Community Chest becomes ‘Bigots Lucky Dip’ and Take a Chance becomes ‘Push your luck’.

Example :- You land on ‘Push your luck’ and it reads ‘The local schoolchildren have discovered the Eckies you have been selling them are actually aspirins. Go straight to Hiding, do not pass The Offy, do not buy Buckie or Superlager. Hide for two turns until your new stash arrives.

You could double it up as a drinking game. A Superlager for passing The Offy and a Superlager with a Buckie Chaser for landing on The Offy.

Obviously this would only be suitable for weegie children aged 8 or over. For younger children you would have Junior Bigotology designed to educate your children in all things bigoted and able to hone those essential lifeskills of ‘Pointless Boring Banter’ and ‘Annoying everybody else with your single minded point of view’.

I think I'm onto a winner !
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 10:50:57
So Rangers have started waving the white flag early this season.

Cousin - Gone
Darcheville - Gone
Gow - Gone
Boyd - On is way out
Ferguson - looks like he's off too.

This leaves Laugherty - a joke for 4m.
Velicka - The invisible man.
Novo - well finished
Miller - a Celtic reject

Not one of them a prolific scorer - in fact Boyd this season has scored more than the lot of them put together. Smith wants to bring in Healy but it will take him time to settle and he also looks finished - failed at Leeds and Sunderland.

In all my years watching Scottish football, I have rarely seen such a surrender from Rangers FC.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 10:53:11
99 Rouler I agree with you. It's unbelievable Rangers would cash in their chips at this stage. How demoralising will the rest of the squad be when they see this.

This is managerial suicide by Walter.
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williwaw,

07/01/2009 10:53:24
It is obvious that "Walter" getting rid of Rearrangerz` top goalscorer and Rearrangerz best striker since Marco Negri 12 years ago,can only be described as a masterstroke of man management.

It makes absolute sense and is only a minute part of "Walters" bigger plan of wresting the SPL title away from Scotlands Champions.


Rearrangerz fanz right across the country will be behind "Walter" on this one.

The "Wee Narrow People" have never had it so good.
Have they.
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A Jambo come rain or shine,

07/01/2009 10:55:26
#99 What do you mean "after reading this article the Celtic fans have every right to gloat"? The article has nothing to do with the OF.

FWIW on hearts and hibs - i think Fletcher and Kingston's recent form will have reduced their value drastically. Fletcher has been fairly poor of late while Kingston has been woeful - and mostly at games when scouts have been there. The only hope is that a bidding war starts but i can't see much over £2M max.
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07/01/2009 10:55:45
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 11:01:05
107

It is strange and Ferguson is likely to follow him out of the door.

This will leave only Broadfoot as Rangers highest valued player.

As old Idee would say...Sad, isn't it?

But I'd say it's not sad but hilarious.

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AJ Fife,

07/01/2009 11:04:47
#108,

It all could be doon to the electricity bill being due?

Prudent management by Mr Murray and wee wattie!

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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 11:07:22
3 down 7 to go.....

It is now getting desperate.....

Yet with Rearrangers selling their top goal scorer...and possibly more main squad players to go....up to 10 players...

Rangers could end up with a smaller squad than Hamilton..

What do we hear from the newspapers.....

.....nowt as usual...

No questions....no criticism...

Can you imagine if this was Hearts or any other Scottish club for that matter?

Rangers are in a mess....and the laptoployals are looking the other way!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 11:08:58
107

Wit....with that face?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 11:09:08
109 and 110

Good and frank report on Rangers scenario by Rangers fan come reporter Darryl King.

The future is bright, the future might be totally dazzling white.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/display.var.2479835.0.0.php
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Rouleur,

On ma bike 07/01/2009 11:11:58
104 MM I don't think it is managerial suicide by Sir Walter however I think he has been told to recoup as much cash as possible and if a sensible offer comes in then the player is out. Missing out on this year's CL is looking more and more like an expensive error.

My concern is Celtic will continue to win the league, qualify for the CL and be earning that revenue. As a Rangers fan we are in a painful downward financial spiral. As a Celtic fan you must be enjoying the implosion.

Sort of 1993 in reverse.

106 not meant to hijack this thread but you know us bams will post anywhere, turn up and support our club at games anywhere...shame the Jambos and Hibees only turn out for Hampden Cup Finals which makes me think you are both West Coast clubs..!
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 11:12:43
110

I expect Rangers are now one defeat away from crisis.

One defeat and we'll see fans protesting outside calling for the heads of Smith, Murray and Jester.

It will take Rangers years to turn this around and their support will dwindle like it did in the early eighties. It may well be as Helter Skelter said a few weeks ago - "we are witnessing the last days"

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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 11:13:44
3 down 7 to go....

2 Erchies.....gone to some unknown French mob...
Fat boy Boyd...gone....to a Championship club...
Gow....gone....to a championship club...

Sidebaws....being touted fur geordieland...
Baggette....touted fur Geordieland....
Menthol.....touted fur Geordieland....
Sponge Bob..touted...but Forest no longer interested..
Novo....touted to a Spanish club...

That's 8 on the radar.....who are the other 2?
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Rouleur,

on ma bike 07/01/2009 11:14:46
Paul Mac...read the Herald, there is a good article there asking Murray what's going on? Hardly a media whitewash. Even when we are in difficulty your paranoia manages to shine through. There's me thinking living in Dormansland would help with that.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 11:15:34
113 Rouleur

It is managerial suicide because, he's waving the white flag of surrender and that is unacceptable to Rangers fans. Smith will lose his job this season if Celtic win the title and that is looking ever more likely. In fact who'd bet against Celtic doing TEN in a row at this rate - as you mentioned the CL money will keep rolling into Celtic while Rangers are in freefall.

Rangers could end up being the Leeds Utd of Scottish Football.
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Jambo Number 1,

07/01/2009 11:18:03
The Scotsman should employ a slightly higher class of moderation team. The infestation of Infirm fans on this story about HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN football club is sickening.

The INFIRM have literally hundreds of web forums to chose from but these horrible creatures infest, they are like a cancer.

Anyway, I think Hearts should break down Motherwells door to get Porter, he would be a quality signing and the goal scorer we are crying out for.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 11:18:51
115 Paul

Just heard that McGregor is being touted to Fulham and Tottenham.

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 11:20:32
118

Good point.

Write to the Scotsman and complain and maybe the Scotsman will see sense and start creating OF threads instead of being so weak by bowing to the bigots and removing all OF threads.

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Jambo Number 1,

07/01/2009 11:23:40
#120

What I wonder is, do the Infirm fans target the articles about Hearts deliberatley?

Can they noy have their snooze fest on a different story, as Hearts is the team that most people reading this National Newspaper from Edinburgh care about.

If I wanted to read about the Infirm I would read the Daily Record and The Scottish Sun or maybe the Glasgow Herald.
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williwaw,

07/01/2009 11:26:28
David Murray made all the cash he needed during his first 12 years.

In the beginning he needed Rearrangerz.

Now Rearrangerz need him.

Who would look at Rearrangerz sideways if Davie-boy upped stumps and left(no pun intended at all).

Rearrangerz` huge mountain of debt,about to be scrutinised in a detail that it has never undergone in its history by its NEW bankers Lloyds TSB,might just see them led up the same garden path as Third Lanark.

Without a compass or a paddle.


Sad.
Isn`t it.
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Jambo-ree,

07/01/2009 11:27:49
#101 Well why not? They keep telling us they've got a monopoly on Scottish football.

Instead of train stations they could have police stations, instead of water works a brewery, and instead of the electrical works a Taser® store. Money would be replaced by Giro cheques. The corner opposite the Bar-L would be renamed as "a fiver tae watch yer car mister" rather than Free Parking. Green houses would be call chapels that would be upgraded to cathedrals and new orange coloured houses would be lodges upgraded to Olympia Houses.

Yep, you're onto something!
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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 07/01/2009 11:34:24
The 'Espnayolification' process of RFC seems to be mmoving into overdrive methinks.

It really does amaze me, especially after the near disaster at CP before Fergus arrived, how gullible the Rangers fans seem to be regarding the true situation at Ibrox re the financial plight of the club.

If RFC fans wish to be loyal to their club they need to start asking some tough questions soon or it might be too late.

As the Herald put it:
"This impending sale smacks of a club in deep financial trouble. Sir David Murray now faces a barrage of questions.
But, in truth, there is only one issue: Just how bad is it, Sir David?"


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Jambo Number 1,

07/01/2009 11:36:53
The Dog would be changed to a Staffie.

The Top hat would be a baseball cap.

The Boat would be a Buckfast bottle.

The Car would be a Metro, with no wheels.

The Shoe would be a Chavvy Trainer.

The Iron would be a suitable Chib, such as a Crowbar.

Taking a chance would be "Geez a square Go"
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Bosco Bhoy1,

07/01/2009 11:40:48
Other clubs in the SPL such as Hibs and Hearts must be excited at the real and genuine prospect of becoming the second most powerful force in Scottish football behind the mighty Celtic Football Club with the impending financial meltdown of RFC just around the corner.
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Paulmac2,

Surrey 07/01/2009 11:45:17
119

The evening Times suggested last night McShaggers value was around £7m....wtf..

It also had a piece stating for fans not to panic as no other players would be sold in the January window....and that Rangers only needed to raise £3m in revenue...

With an added point that Killie receive a 20% sell on fee...

Now...the article suggested the comments came from within Ibrox....it leaves the following questions....

If they needed to raise £3m....why?
If they have raised it...does it mean Boyd will not be replaced?
If Boyd is to be replaced....who will then be sold to cover the expenditure of his replacement?
Why has Sid not come out and given a clear and explicit account of the current situation?
Considering Rangers are only 5 points adrift...and only needed to raise £3m...why sell your top scorer as opposed to other bit part players?

It's becoming a circus at Ibrox!
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williwaw,

07/01/2009 11:45:52
Lloyds TSB takeover all of HBOS` former functions as from 12/1/09.

This Monday !!

Some are al"ready" saying that the timing of Boyds sale is merely a coincidence and nothing at all to do with Rearrangerz accounting records and their imminent scrutiny.


For what it is worth,Lloyds TSB` newly appointed Chief Executive(Scotland)is Susan Rice.

Susan is of Irish/American descent.
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Jambo-ree,

07/01/2009 11:51:03
One of the dice would be green with Roman numerals on it and the other orange with only the numbers 4, 7, 1, 6, 9 and 0. Both would be chained to the table.
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AJ Fife,

07/01/2009 11:53:20
#130,

Would the game be played on a 'weegie' board?
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Jambo Number 1,

07/01/2009 11:58:28
#129

Well as the story is entirely relevant to Motherwell I would think it is patently obvious that there is no problem.

And nobody needs "my" permission, I just think the Scotsman should moderate these things better.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 12:00:22
128

The cosy favouritism that once existed has gone....

No longer will the nod, the wink and strange handshake curry favour from the bank...

Our debt was £6m when it was called in by the bank....some say that was to expediate Fergus in...I get the feeling a similar scanario would benefit Rangers in much the same way...

However this would expose Sid to the public scrutiny that he clearly wants to avoid...but does nothing more than prolong the pain!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 12:03:44
Rangers away to St. Johnstone in the cup....

Oh the implosion that would follow...if Rangers lost!
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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 12:06:33
135

Still ongoing.....

Robert Maxwell....yacht....anyone?
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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 12:21:11
116..Rouleur

Not a complete media blackout.....but a significant avoidance by a large number....throws up the question...

Why so few interested in what clearly is a major concern for Rangers fans and the state of their club?

5 points behind...you sell your top scorer at the club by a loooooooong way???....because the club HAD to bring in £3m regardless....and it didn't matter which player it was they sold in order to achieve this figure.....so long as £3m was collected....

Now if it had been £30m they needed to raise....you could find some sort of understanding in the speed and desperation of the decision.....but £3m..

If that doesn't concern Rangers fans....then nothing will!
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lesmajambo,

Lesmahagow 07/01/2009 12:28:04
Surely the Scotsman can edit out all these ugly bigoted posts from the lesser intelligent unwashed idiots from the west. They have already ruined articles about their own teams and cannot now post under them so now they try to hi-jack the boards of the teams who have true supporters. Blank them now before it is too late.
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G,

dundy 07/01/2009 12:34:31
If the OF had talked up a transfer of a motherwell player before a game with Motherwell they would be accused rightly of trying to unsettle the player in question
Is it different for Hearts?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 12:45:32
Lordy! Almost as many Embra gadgies getting their knickers in a twist than our poor relations across the Clyde...

Bears with sore heads I can handle given the meltdown at Marie Celeste Stadium but these Embra types are a bit much.Whats the prob Tarquin?Come out of hibernation to early to find the Festival isnt on for another 6 months?Bless....
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williwaw,

07/01/2009 12:54:19
As Rearrangerz enter their financial tumble dryer,Champions Celtic announce new further investment into Paradise.

Peter Lawwell has masterminded the extention of the current deal with Nike to the tune of £25-£29 million smackers.

This will kick in with effect from next season when the current deal expires.

Properly run and managed football clubs are able to do this.

Well done Peter Lawwell and Champions Celtic.
Particularly in todays tight financial climate.

£Twenty five(25) extending to £twenty nine(29)£million pounds.

Luvvly jubbly.
Isn`t it.
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Jim Baxter,

Alicante 07/01/2009 13:08:18
The way things are starting to look at Rangers the door is open for the likes of Dundee United and Hearts to lay claim to second spot in the SPL. Rangers are like any other club, an offer comes in thats acceptable to Murray and the player is away. Smith will have no say in the matter. But been a Hearts fan I couldnt care less re Rangers selling Boyd to help the cash flow at Ibrox.
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BazJT,

07/01/2009 13:41:39
Jamboree and Jambo Number 1.

Like your work guys.
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Paulmac2,

surrey 07/01/2009 13:43:14
144

The media have been putting the boot into your club often enough about cash problems recently....

Wonder why they've looked the other way on this one?
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Rouleur,

on ma bike 07/01/2009 13:50:07
138 PaulMac your paranoia knows no bounds as both the ET and Herald are asking the question re the financial aspect. Simple economics - Rangers failed to qualify for the CL so every player has a price, Boyd's is £3.5m. Boyd's sale keeps the creditors from the door and Rangers FC continue to function.

What I do find interesting is how every Paranoia FC supporter is saying we have sold Ally McCoist mkII whilst after the last OF were chuckling at what a one dimensional player aka Peter Van Vossen MkII he was, who failed to bury his one chance.. ..what a difference a week makes eh.

Also if Paranoia FC are incapable of winning the league now, I am sure Porkheid will implode.
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Rouleur,

on ma bike 07/01/2009 13:50:16
138 PaulMac your paranoia knows no bounds as both the ET and Herald are asking the question re the financial aspect. Simple economics - Rangers failed to qualify for the CL so every player has a price, Boyd's is £3.5m. Boyd's sale keeps the creditors from the door and Rangers FC continue to function.

What I do find interesting is how every Paranoia FC supporter is saying we have sold Ally McCoist mkII whilst after the last OF were chuckling at what a one dimensional player aka Peter Van Vossen MkII he was, who failed to bury his one chance.. ..what a difference a week makes eh.

Also if Paranoia FC are incapable of winning the league now, I am sure Porkheid will implode.
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Few Against Many,

07/01/2009 14:26:37
very convenant when they are playing Motherwell tongiht.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 15:05:48
And it just gets worse for Rangers FC....

David Healy is not interested in joining Rangers and wants to stay and fight for his place at Sunderland.

Looks like Broadfoot will have to play up front.
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 16:22:19
Hing oan a minute....when Cardiff came in for boydchenko barely 6 months ago, Walter announced that he intended to , ahem, "build his team around Boyd".

Since then, Boydchenko has banged in around 20 goals....and he's getting punted out the door for £2.5m with an extra million IF birmingham get promoted.

Silly money ?

Can any rearrangerz fanz shed some light on this ?

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Yellow Kid Weil,

07/01/2009 16:37:02
There clearly is a fire sale about to occur at Ibrox - provided the customers bother to arrive. It seems that every player has his price and (Fergie - £2m) it wont be that high.

But I ask the sensible bears out there - Brian Stewart, Bemused Exile - would you really be that bothered about losing Boyd, Ferguson, McCullogh, JCDTRM, Velicka.... As, Im pretty sure that Smith could field as good a team with out them as he could with them. Fergie looks past it, Boyd looks and often plays like a fat waster who 'hings around by the chippie' and the rest of them cant get in the team?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 16:55:57
Yup BBC report that fee has been accepted.Boyd will now be wrapped in the old blue carpet and spirited away in the back of an old Ford Transit to begin his new life in Brum...
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 16:56:26


David Murrays statement on why he has sold their most saleable asset will be crucial.

But why is Murray currently noticable only by his absence.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 16:59:39
Maybe Sid Murray could paraphrase on of his most famous utterances.."For every £9 million Celtic refuse,We'll sell for £3 million....."
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:00:21
Simple truths.
ALL CLUBS IN SCOTLAND ARE SELLING CLUBS NOW.
Difference is only Rangers recieve any concrete offers.
IF Boyd goes, it will be a loss to the team, IF Ferguson goes it will be slightly less so.
Both will be missed and supporteres, myself included, will not be happy IF there is no change in direction.
Give Lafferty a chance through the middle with Shinnie. Fleck, Aaron Niguez & Furman into midfield with Mendes offering the experience.
We could even afford to allow Bougherra to go and bring in Kinsborough at centre back, move Papac into the middle and allow the other Hutton, a left back with more defensive ability and superior attacking style & accuracy in. We might not win this title but the experience & desire would deliver, showing progress & encouraging the development of the youth players which has so far began to stagnate due to lack of opportunity.
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Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging Around 07/01/2009 17:01:20
Having allowed the press to pore over the club's dirty laundry and tell the world that Boyd, Ferguson and everyone else on the playing side were available to the highest bidder, the club now have to reassure the fans that there will be players left at the ground on Feb 3. It looks to me as if they will have to make a statement along the lines of "we have sold Kris Boyd, there will be no other sales - all is well at Ibrox" in order to keep the fans happy. I don't think that Rangers will now sell Ferguson. They may well be looking to offload several more players to reduce their wage bill but there would have to be something very wrong at the club for them to be forced to sell not only their top scorer but their club captain. I don't think there will be a replacement of Boyd by Healy - the differential in their wages would make that a non-starter.
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:01:36


And as if "Walters" management of Rearrangerz had not brought enough humiliation down upon Ibrox.

David Healy has just snubbed Rearrangerz.

Just how degrading can this fresh episode of maladministration at Ibrox become.
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:01:59
#160
When has there been a definite bid made for any of the celtic squad?
McBigot - rumoured every year, so why has no one made a move?
Boruc- ditto
etc,etc,etc
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:07:38


To be quite honest the Rearrangerz heaving,still believing(only just)hordez could not be blamed for being delighted if David Murray was to include in his explanatory speech that JesterCoist would be taking over from "Walter"-The Man With No Surname-with effect from this week-end.

Rearrangerz fanz would fully understand.
Of that,I am certain.
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:10:01
And just a thought but if times are so bad for Rangers just now, why are we still qualifying for Europe through the league & managing to win cups against 1st division & premier league sides?
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:10:04

Its time that Rearrangerz fanz refered to their manager as Smith.

This "Walter" malarkey just didn`t do the trick.
Did it.
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:11:52
#166
Thats nonsense & you know it.
If either McBigot or Boruc were as good as claimed they would have been long gone, but yet not 1 bid made........
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:12:54
164..I applaud your stoicism in the face of the INCONTOVERTABLE fact that your club is up to its oxters in the smelly stuff.

On the day that the Hoops announce a £25-9 million deal with premier sports outfit Nike and your team hawk its less than stellar cast of hoofers to all and sundry (Surely a coincidence! Fnnaaar!) I feel quite sorry for all decent gers fans who must be beelin' at the reversal of fortunes visited upon their club.I suppose that if by burying your head in the sand and claiming that ALL of the SPL is in the same boat makes you feel slightly better,be my guest.Magnanimous to the last,thats me....
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:13:18
possible reasons:
1)No Bids Made
2)Bids rejected (PR ensures confidentiality, with no leaks from agents/other clubs/players etc)

Which is more likely?
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Yellow Kid Weil,

07/01/2009 17:13:45
161 - The second best thing Rangers could do is to follow your advice.

However, the best thing rangers could do is borrow a time machine from Michael J Fox or Doctor who, go back in time and get rid of Boyd(Sub)pen. and Fergie and do the same thing then.

That would make a lot more sense, don't you think?
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Yellow Kid Weil,

07/01/2009 17:15:14
173 - Damn, forgot to add * back in time two years when Paul Le Guen was in charge.

The vital information was missing.

Bit like the Rangers balance sheet!
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Yellow Kid Weil,

07/01/2009 17:17:14
170 - doesnt really matter if nobody bid for Boruc and McGeady. They are among our best and certainly wont be getting flogged off to English second division sides to balance the books.

And that, my son (you wish) is the important thing here!
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:18:04
#171
If firm bids are made ALL SPL teams would sell. My opinion.
As for denial of being in a rough spell, have you actually read any of my posts in the past 2 years?
I'm well aware that this is our lean spell, on the face of it we are doing okay during it, and as I have said I would far prefer to see our investment in the training centre & youth Academy being utilised as our way out than juggling with the transfer market.
At least we know what we would be getting, any sell on fee would be profit & then theres the development fee when the move on again. I have suggested several times we start to give the core players from our u19s, back to back double winners for their age group, a run in the first team, gain experience & fire up the level of desire. It would still be a lean spell but the benefits & change of fortune would both come much sooner than our current staregy.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:18:50
Song moments for Ibrox and its inhabitants (for the moment)
Style Council.."Walls come tumblin' down" and Elton John.."Tumbleweed Connection"
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:21:34
176...Just a thought,Was Wattie behind the move to get rid of the reserves (Hoops have sewn that one up pretty much all of this decade)?

If so,maybe by selling his ENTIRE first team squad he could move the second string up the ladeer a wee bit.A cunning plan of "Baldrick" proportions,methinks!
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:22:45


I think that JesterCoist has earned his chance of mismanaging Rearrangerz.
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Yellow Kid Weil,

07/01/2009 17:23:07
176 - All pyss taing aside, well said mate.

I think the benefits of that, allied to prudent transfer activity - ie, signing the odd quality or influential player - would be the most sensible way for any team upshyt creek to proceed.

But it would be a brave man to tell the Ibrox faithful that they will have to accept 6-7 maybe 8 in a row for the Champs.

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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:24:27
#173 & #174

Personally, as I have said before,. I think Le Guen showed an arrogance & drastically underestimated the size of the task ahead. He did no research on scottish football & spent his time commentating on CANAL+ or running through the sahara. It bit him on the erchie, a bit like Murrays throwing millions after europe when everyone could see our best results there came from a team formed mainly of scotsmen with one or two outstanding additions. Le Guen then used Ferguson as a smokescreen to engineer an escape route.
Was I impressed by the behaviour of either? No.
Does it change the fact that NO-ONE has made any bids for McBigot or Boruc? No.
Does that mean your opinion is less worthy than mine? No.
Are we likely to agree? No.
But please dont refer to me as son again as I find it rather offensive.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:25:53
Damn! How can you convey the waggling of fingers under ones chin on a football forum?
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Yellow Kid Weil,

07/01/2009 17:26:44
183 - Who stole the jam out of your doughnut today?


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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:28:08
#182
Cheers, it wouldnt be easy, but then the pre-souness 80's were far worse, difference being there were other teams challenging & winning the league back then. if that were to develop now I think people would go with it, the difficulty is getting rid of the bigot chip, which hwen times are hard unfortunately surfaces in both sets of the OF support.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:29:20
Given that Boydie will be rolled up in the axminster for transportation south today,we should applaud the gers for helping out General George Carpets,Maryhill for giving them some much needed biz by buying all the available carpet stock in anticipation of more departures.....
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:29:22
#185
Birmingham & MURRAY!!!!!!!!!
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:31:13
could be worse, could be living in Gaza
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:32:11
Quiet at the back !


Any one given consideration for the thoughts of Monsieur Paul Le Guen at this moment in time ?

He probably wont be thinking to himself....ah well I did my best to warn you.

But he would have every right to.
Wouldn`t he.


Where might Rearrangerz have been today if PLG was allowed to be rid of Ferguson in exactly the same way as David Murray is doing his best to achieve this very day.

Two years too late Davie-boy.
Two years too late !!!

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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:34:43
#190
Given Le Guens underestimation of scottish football, possibly in a relegation battle with Inverness.
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Boyne Bhoy,

07/01/2009 17:38:19
Swordy, Has anyone checked the Blue Room-is the carpet still there or was it a job lot with Boydchenko (I know, 'the Blue Room isnae where we keep oor cups blah blah').

Bemused: Anyone made any formal bids for Torres? Messi? or do they remain unwanted dross as you seem tobe suggesting? The Cat in the Hat made an enquiry about Boydchenko and was encouraged to review and return, my uinderstanding is that any clubs who have made enquiries about Celtic players have been politely advised don't be silly.
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:38:56

We have been reading and writing all day about the goings on at The Scrapyard.

But I still can hardly believe that "Walter" has got rid of Boydthebench(sub)(pen).


How many goals has he cracked in for the Grzzz so far this season ??

20.

Hey Kris,seen as your offski....see the goal against Hearts that you didnae score but the ref gave you it anyway,well...

YOU CAN KEEP IT.

Its a sort of going away prezzie,you might say.

Ta ta now,cherio.

Sad just the same.
Isn`t it.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:39:03
OK all joshing aside,RFC have had worse teams in the past and have managed to get back to winning ways.This was done by biting the bullet,exercising the financial clout RFC had then and spending over the odds for the likes of Butcher,Stevens etc (Remember,no Europe for English clubs then so was attractive for players desperate to play in EC)to kickstart a new revolution.


The difference here is that a poor team allied to a less than healthy financial situation will make things a hell of a lot more difficult for all concerned down Edmiston Dr way.Gone is the carte blanche approach to transfers,gone are the conditions that would attract talented players north of the border and thems the bare facts mate.
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:40:21


WHATS HAPPENED THE NUMBERS TALLY ?
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:40:24
Sorry for calling you "mate",Dont want to offend...
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:41:36
#181
Hence my point about developing from the substantial investment already put into the youth system. Would take between 2-4years to reach full potential, challenging in 2yrs. To me it would at least be progress.
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:42:11
#183, mate is fine. can live with that.
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Boyne Bhoy,

07/01/2009 17:42:19
Swordy, Are you still doing the odd shift in Superquinn? I see they have been doing 'Back to the 70's' weekends, do you think Minty thought they meant late 70's early 80's and he is trying to recreate the Gers of the period?
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Auricula,

07/01/2009 17:43:32


Never mind Monsieur Paul Le Guen.

Has anyone had any consideration to what Sir David Murray will be going through.


How is he ever going to be able to offload his first luvv,Rearrangerz now ?

Its just no fair.
Is it.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:44:12
184 thats all well and good if Celtic,and lets face it,the rest of the SPL stand still whilst Rangers recover...I cant see that happening though...
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:44:25
#182
It's all went a bit mental, probably some plot by the laptoployalists in the scotsman to spread confusion & take peoples eyes off whats really going on.....
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:45:53
#190
I've been conversing with the sellick mindit too long....
I'm getting all conspiricised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:47:01
#189
Only if rangers do so without having the 1 or 2 quality buys, thats the point.
Develop the core of the team, buy the fluffy dice & finishing touches.
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Bemused and above it all,

07/01/2009 17:47:23
Anyway, ta ta for noo......
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:48:20
Boyne Bhoy...My local Superquinn has a series of posters at the entrance depicting employees going about their daily tasks with huge smiles on their faces (Aye,right!) I'm sure the Baker is Andy Goram.I'm sure he was working here but got fired (no pun) for refusing to make Hot Cross Buns...There is a joke in there but I'm not going down that road lol
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 17:49:49
Bemused..Cheers for turning up and taking it like,AHEM!,a man...
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Boyne Bhoy,

07/01/2009 17:51:28
Swordy, I'll check out Blanchardstown branch of Superbrian's tomorrow. Cheers, I'm off home, enjoy the Gers fans meltdown.....
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Dave the jambo fae Burnley.,

Burnley 07/01/2009 18:11:52
Thought this was a Hearts thread ,must have pressed a wrong button somewhere,will try again later. Mon the Hearts 1.0 will do the night.LOL25
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BEMUSED EXILE,

07/01/2009 18:16:29
Hi lads.

You know how it is. You wait all day for a "Bemused" to show up, then you end up with two in quick succession.

I'm reliably informed that SDM has just invested heavily in a large, high-quality white flag to run up the Ibrox flagpole. It would seem like an appropriate finishing touch to the current abject surrender.

Ferguson and Boyd are such die-hard 'Gers that they probably spurt blue blood when you cut them. One is our Captain, and the other far and away our biggest goal threat, and to sell both, or even either of them, is tantamount to suicide at this stage of the season.

If Celtic were so far ahead as to be out of sight in the SPL race then it might be a more understandable and opportune moment at which to raise some capital, but, in reality, our rivals from the East are nothing more than a slightly lighter shade of mediocrity, and are eminently catchable by the right group of players.

If SDM were to come out and admit that RFC have no option but to sell their most valuable playing assets, then he might just about retain my support, and the same could apply to WS if he gave some of our younger talents a chance, but I'm reliably informed that the likes of Chris Burke and Steven Smith are up for grabs, while carthorses like Broadfoot and McCulloch look set to ride out the storm.

Never mind, I'm sure that Mr Murray will pull out all the stops to bring all those high class pre-contract targets, such as Lee Wilkie, Don Cowie and Dean Shiels, to Ibrox six months early to plug the gaps.

Never mind, only two games away from retaining the CIS, huh?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 18:26:32
Bemused

I hear Smith is getting no money from the Boyd sale and no players are coming in. so forget Wilkie etc...

Also the news is that all players are available for sale - Ferguson is off and McGregor is being touted.

PWC spokesman says "Despite selling Hutton, Cuellar and a decent Uefa run Rangers are being run at a loss and cutting costs is imperative. Last June the net debt was in 21m, but the costs are continuing to rise. "
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 18:35:53
News coming in Barry Ferguson will sign for Newcastle on Friday.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

07/01/2009 18:39:16
MM

I'll keep my powder dry until this whole saga plays out and the smoke clears.

SDM has always been a reasonably shrewd operator, so the current situation just doesn't add up to me. RFC's debt hasn't suddenly sneaked up on him. He's always been aware of the arithmetic.

When money was relatively tight in the summer, and CL football was not guaranteed, why did he not settle for the signings of Miller and Velicka up front, instead of blowing another £3 million-plus on Lafferty?

And when Europe was gone (and Cuellar too), why did he not settle for the two fairly high-profile signings of Mendes and Davis, instead of spending another £2.5 million on Edu? It's not as if the fans were overly excited about Lafferty or Edu arriving.

Much needs explaining.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 18:48:35
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Much does need explaining.

I have a feeling that the summer spending was a gamble on the belief that CL money was coming in. It didn't and now Murray is facing the music and it isn't an orange bonn playing.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

07/01/2009 18:55:03
#207

That's a little misrepresentative. Some of that £80 million was spent by WS during TB's reign at CP, when a good Celtic team offered a real challenge. And a very big chunk of it was spent by Advocaat, who was chasing real European success, as well as initially trying to wrest back the title that Wim Jansen had taken to CP, and then to rise to the challenge of MON (Tore Andre Flo, anyone?).

So, a good deal of that spending was understandable, if a little risky!
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 18:58:58
The idea that Murray is some amazing financial wizard is really wide of the mark.

Murray was a scrap metal merchant who worked hard (some 15 years) to get to a decent level of business. His business was mainly built on trading (buying and selling commodities) His business model was based on acquisition and then selling. He got into sport via a basketball team MIM sponsored.

The truth is Murray is a trader. That's his skill. He's not a financial genius and is not the most imaginative businessman. He's no entrepreneur or at a level of serious wealth. He bought Rangers for a steal and bizarrely Rangers increased his wealth and his profile. Rangers elevated Murray and he gained his knighthood via Rangers.

Murray owes Rangers a lot, he has put in a lot of work over the years but he's not what Rangers fans think he is. He is no tycoon, he's just been a lucky guy in the right place at the right time, he took his chance and now he wants to cash in. To cash in, he firstly needs to make Rangers profitable so expect the sales to continue.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:06:37
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Go look up the word entrepreneur.

I could win the euro lottery and buy over a huge company that employs 10,000. Does that make me an entrepreneur?

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:07:46
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Well if the money was spent without considering CL money, then Murray has been grossly irresponsible. Don't you think?

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:14:29
Lafferty 4m
Miller 2m
Velicka 1m
Bougherra 2.5m

All signed before the Kaunas Fiasco. Almost 10m spent.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:17:12
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So why the panic fire sale now?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:22:36
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Why would Walter want rid of his captain and arguably his most inspirational player and a player with the best scoring record currently in Scotland.

What sense does that make? What manager would want rid of the one man who is giving him results.

Do you think Walter is going senile?

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:28:47
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So you are happy with Rangers at the moment?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

07/01/2009 19:32:52
TnT

Your comment at #207 does raise an interesting point, in the respect that you once again invoke the ghost of the "worst Celtic team in history", a claim that has often been used by your own side to play down RFC's achievements during that period. I myself offer no opinion one way nor the other on that issue.

It does cut both ways though. Given Rangers trophyless campaigns in 05/06 and 06/07, the general poverty of their football last season (despite two cups and a European final), and now their obvious financial problems this term, is there not a need to re-evaluate the scale of Strachan's "achievement" in lifting the title four times in a row against such financially and artistically bankrupt opposition?

Or, does it only cut one way?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 19:34:25
Let the results do the the talking.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:34:30
Bemused

Do you consider yourself a sensible Rangers fan. Are you happy with what's going on at Rangers at the moment?

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:43:49
I cant see for Piles

Our results have been talking for nearly four years now. When are yours going to start talking?
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 19:45:09
Notice how some of 1967 "my TVs black and white, bought it just before the game so I could watch live and it still works fine" mob, are always looking back.

Walter is rebuilding the side for the future.

That's what good managers do. Not sitting on their smamrock.

As for Hearts....well that's a different debate altogether

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BEMUSED EXILE,

07/01/2009 19:45:38
#242

No. Far from it.

dv

Last 16's of the CL? A decent achievement, something first done by Alex McLeish with what both sides recognise as a very limited team. And of course, bettered by WS himself in 92/93 when RFC went through the entire group stage unbeaten and came within a goal of the CL Final itself.

But that RFC team weren't up to much, were they? Celtic were poor, after all.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:53:05
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You are out of order to slag off WGS. He's been great for us.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 19:57:45
258 DVincent

True enough on WGS and Peter Lawell.

Lawell truly has outfoxed Rangers.

He scuppered their plans to sign;

McDonald
Hartley
Pressley
Brown
Robson
Loovens
Riordan

Thanks Peter
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BEMUSED EXILE,

07/01/2009 19:58:21
I don't like to see good players leaving, but a case can certainly be made in most instances.

£7 million (possibly rising to £9 million) for Hutton was incredible business, at least double what the player was worth, so I have no issue whatever.

The Cuellar "escape-clause" is also something I believe. The player's own agent, and Aston Villa football club, both confirmed its existence, besides which a fee of almost £8 million for a player who cost around a third of that is great business, with or without an escape-clause.

Ferguson is another potential transfer that I can understand. Almost 31 years old, best years behind him, good alternatives in the squad, recovering from serious injury, and drawing around £25k a week, it makes reasonable sense to me.

Even £5 million for Bougherra, doubling our money on a half-decent but not entirely convincing defender, can be excused, as can a fee of around £7 million for McGregor, a very good but not great goalkeeper.

I can't understand Boyd's departure, however. his goals are vital to our prospects, and I'd be looking for at least £5 million from a cash rich Championship or lower order Premiership club for his services.

So, I'll wait and see who moves, how much for, and who comes in, before I place a noose around SDM's head and kick the trapdoor open.
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I can see for miles,

07/01/2009 20:00:19
1-0 Motherwell. Porter.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:06:22
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Unbelievable you are saying WGS has done just OK.

He's had us playing some scintillating football. Stuff not seen since the days of Tommy B.

He's won every title he's ever gone for. 3 in a row going on four best for 35 years.

He's taken us further in Europe's top competition than anyone in the last 25 years.

He's halved the wage bill.

Yes he's made a few bad signings but what manager hasn't made a few.

Donati you slate yet it was Donati who scored the winner v Shaktar that guaranteed another 10m pay out - three times his fee.

Graveson was a decent player just not a player that fitted our system. Still how many Celtic managers signed players from Real Madrid?

Mark Brown has not been great but he's been ok as back up. MON hardly had a good keeper in five years at Celtic.

WGS is proving to be a top manager as he sees off Rangers manager number three - and not only a Rangers manager but arguably their greatest ever manager.

Not bad going.

ps. What do you expect WGS to be doing better - winning the CL?

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:14:25
268 Pundit

In post 230 you said "there was no panic fire sale" now you are agreeing that there is. Make up yer miund man.

BTW Rangers will not buy big in Jan. FACT. PWC just stated that the sale is all about CLEARING DEBT! Gerrit?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:17:08
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no half...his world is spinning around as he sees the wheels coming off the ibrox bandwagon
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 20:20:46
Who would pay £7m for Alan McGregor ? Seriously ...a player who has had one good season, almost no international experience and but one season of european football...and a player whose position in the team has been under a cloud all season owing to some spectacular costly blunders.

Compared to Boruc, McGregor is barely a novice, and at a push we might get £7m for him....McGregor is at best a £3M : a player who has over one season shown some ability but lately would be lucky to get a game for the fox 'n' hound.

It's meltdown at ibrox, and all the rearrangerz fanz know it. Us Celts have been banging on about this since Kaunas, and we are seeing our predictions thoroughly vindicated.

Minty is DESPERADO for cash. He's got creditors breathing down his neck for collosal amounts of money.
His assets are chiefly real estate the value of which has been tumbling for months , a phenomenon likely to deteriorate in times ahead.

Many of minty's properties are commercial, let out to businesses many of whom will be going to the wall...the rent revenues are drying up and again, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.

Most of his other properties are luxurious , palatial type homes demand for which has collapsed, as has their value.

Last year MIH paid out £39m ....in interest.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:21:27
274 Pundit

It's not happening mate. Healy and his agent insist he's staying at sunderland also Rangers can't afford his wages.

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:21:56
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On BBC Radio Scotland tonight.
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willieb,

07/01/2009 20:22:16
Wheres that contributor I CAN SEE FOR MILES where is your Chris Boyd now ? BY BY RANGERS.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:23:43
Just heard the Boyd deal has stalled - his personal terms can't be agreed. Just came on Sky Sports News five minutes ago.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 20:23:52
Any word on that Casino type thingy yet.....?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:27:29
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25k per week
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:28:26
BTW Pundit

Rangers top earner is on 25k per week and Rangers want to punt him.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 20:28:53
282..Big John,

Typical window dressing from a "Die hard" who didnae want to go but for the sake of the club etc blah blah...Maybe they cannae get Buckie in Brum?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:31:06
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quite similar to hutton last year don't you think. If boyd comes back up the road with no deal done - Murray and Smith will be raging and he will be forced to go.
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 20:34:44
What will rearrangerz fanz do ?

BFDJ in tonight's ET suggests that the fanz will vote with their wallets when season ticket renewals are due in the summer.

But where would that leave the rearrangerz? Supposing they sell only 20,000 season tickets ....the dark star will be like a grave yard when the likes of hamilton and caley thistle come along....if Celtic do 4 in a row, I foresee rearrangerz' gate falling below 20,000 for bottom 6 matches next season.
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 20:35:25
Jeez,I thought that since BCFC was owned by that wee "Jazz mag" creep,McGregor would have been hanging off of Boyds coat tails..Still,It might yet happen....
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SWORDS MAN,THE GREY BLADE,,

07/01/2009 20:38:11
Has Wattie made any statement regarding the "Bring one,get two free" state of affairs at Stadio Marie Celeste?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 20:39:51
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I remember the Rangers Crisis in 1985 and crowds were down to 9,000.

They disappear like snow off a dyke when the going gets tough.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 20:40:00
274 thepundit

While I would like to see Healy at Ibrox the fee should be no more than 1mil.

He has seen very limited action at Sunderland and he was bought by them for 1.2mil.

Sticky financial times at Ibrox, as stated before it is time SDM spoke to the supporters, tell the truth on the finances, lay out his financial plan for the club going forward.


In saying that WS should do the same as it pertains to the team on the park, do we move forward with some of the youth that we have knowing there may be leaner times ahead while the young lads get experience, or do we continue with the band aid solution of buying lower quality players.

I know what I would prefer to see.

A quality manager who will trust in youth and knows decent modern players are out there to be bought on the cheap,, this is the SPL, just look what United have done under Levein.

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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 20:45:02
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Daillyman I think Sir Moonbeams has been treating the rearrangerz fanz like manure for quite some time now...perhaps he has always looked on them in this way but it was more concealed during the days of high finance.

Why give assurances that Cuellar wouldn't go unless an offer of "silly money" comes in only to turn round the next day and say their was a fixed-fee buy-out clause ?
Some of the rearrangerz fanz at that meeting had travelled from New Zealand, and whatever way you look at it, he dropped one massive big dump right on their heads.
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 20:54:12
I think the only solution for the rearrangerz is to follow Celtic's example and restructure as a plc.

There is no room for back-room shenannigans in a plc, and at the end of the day, I think transparency is something football fanz are entitled to.

It's the fanz that make a club, and the least they are entitled to is a straight answer about where the club is and which direction it's going in.

The rearrangerz fanz get cow-pat after cow-pat, and are left in a limbo filled with wild imaginings about the true state of their club....for all you know, rearrangerz could be heading to hell in a hand cart just now, but you won't know it until it's too late.
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 20:54:13
I think the only solution for the rearrangerz is to follow Celtic's example and restructure as a plc.

There is no room for back-room shenannigans in a plc, and at the end of the day, I think transparency is something football fanz are entitled to.

It's the fanz that make a club, and the least they are entitled to is a straight answer about where the club is and which direction it's going in.

The rearrangerz fanz get cow-pat after cow-pat, and are left in a limbo filled with wild imaginings about the true state of their club....for all you know, rearrangerz could be heading to hell in a hand cart just now, but you won't know it until it's too late.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 20:57:20
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I can't dispute you're post. But giving SDM the benefit of the doubt, it is Bain who negotiates all the contracts and clauses therein, is it not possible that Bain did not inform DM regarding the clause.

We have slowly gone downhill under the stewardship of Bain being the man in charge of the day to day goings on at Ibrox. He was never anything but Murrays eyes and ears at Ibrox and the quicker he is shown the door the happier I will be.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 20:59:34
I would love to see RFC go the PLC route
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 21:04:47
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Daillyman,

The big talking point ahead of that meeting was whether Cuellar was being sold.
Minty knew in advance that those attending the meeting wanted some concrete answers about Cuellar's future.

Minty would have / should have briefed himself on the whole Cuellar situation.

Bain was present at the meeting, and said nothing when minty said Cuellar was staying unless a "silly money" offer came in.

It would be more than generous to credit minty with a lack of knowledge of the buy-out clause at that meeting, but even if you want to go there, wouldn't he then look on Bain's silence at the meeting as an act of treachery and fire him ?

Nahhh...Daillyman, minty knew the score...he's stood by bain ...it was the fanz that got dumped on with grade 1 B.S.
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 21:04:47
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Daillyman,

The big talking point ahead of that meeting was whether Cuellar was being sold.
Minty knew in advance that those attending the meeting wanted some concrete answers about Cuellar's future.

Minty would have / should have briefed himself on the whole Cuellar situation.

Bain was present at the meeting, and said nothing when minty said Cuellar was staying unless a "silly money" offer came in.

It would be more than generous to credit minty with a lack of knowledge of the buy-out clause at that meeting, but even if you want to go there, wouldn't he then look on Bain's silence at the meeting as an act of treachery and fire him ?

Nahhh...Daillyman, minty knew the score...he's stood by bain ...it was the fanz that got dumped on with grade 1 B.S.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:13:34
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Ferguson is on 25k basic

Mendes is on 23k basic

Win bonuses make up the money.

Ferguson is the highest paid Rangers player and he's OFF!
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 21:13:38
As for the Ibrox fire sale ( 3 players gone so far)

Gow fee reported around 300-400k not bad for a Bosman signing that WS never gave a chance to.

JCD 18k off the weekly wage bill

Boyd prolific SPL scorer bought for 400k may go for 3.5 to 4mil. a tidy profit to keep the banks happy.

Ferguson if we get 2mil for him fine, 16 months left on his deal at close to 30k a week, since he has come back Mendes has looked very average.

The club has to try to move forward.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:14:13
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Could they raise any money in this economic climate?
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 21:17:55
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If the Celtic fans do sing that song Tim, will there be complaints from any ROI politicians?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:19:39
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Why?
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 21:20:27
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Heard a reporter today on the radio who stated he was looking at salary number for RFC players, he said the BF basic wage was close to 30k, not counting bonuses.
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 21:21:10
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Just asked.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:22:06
313 DVincent

You are correct.

250k for Gow has been agreed.

3.75m for Boyd has been agreed but 20% goes to Killie so about 3m in the Ibrox coffers.

Darcheville - freed.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:22:49
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No why would ROI politicians complain?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:25:44
Rangers are the Qunitessential GB Club....

The GB stands for Gingy Boatles!
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Daillyman,

07/01/2009 21:27:41
Must go dazzle the bride with my culinary expertise.

Tin of soup and bread and butter, only kidding. lol

Later
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:28:24
Rangers average crowd in 82-83 was just under 18,000.
Wonder what odds I'd get on it being lower than that next season when the fans start burning scarves and season tickets outside the front door.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:28:57
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The famine truly has started by the sounds of things...
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:32:16
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He had audited Rangers books as far as I know (PWC have been auditing Rangers books for years - in fact I know an accountant who carried out one of the audits back in the 80s. PWC also audit other clubs (if not all of them) in the SPL ). He knew exactly what they had to do to correct the debt.

He was interviewed by Richard Gordon.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 21:38:01
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Not just the famine song...they'll need to mind them in the entire songbook!

In a few years time we'll be saying "What Rangers fans?" or even "Remember Rangers?"
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 21:54:01
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My gut feeling is that we are truly in 'the last days'.
The distress flares have been flying out of ibrox for quite some time now.

Minty in the press a few weeks ago mumin' 'n' moanin' about Lawell saying of Celtic "We are not a selling club"...the fact that minty came out in public to bare his teeth over that remark struck me as symptomatic of Minty's general demise.

For minty to come out and accuse Lawell of having a dig at rearrangerz by declaring Celtic not to be a selling club is really quite sad ...it does smack of paranoia, a dark kind of paranoia.
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Minty's Last Stand,

07/01/2009 22:05:53
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NN

I remember during the dark days when minty brought in a south african businessman and the fawning laptoployalists proclaimed that he was going to inject £40m into the ibrox coffers.

Not sure what happened about that ...I think he later withdrew his interest in rfc claiming that he'd been badly stung.

But I do remember feeling gutted when the news of his arrival was first announced....we were already miles behind them, minty was loaded and here was another loaded bloke coming in to throw more money at them.

I think the news today that Celtic have secured funding of what could amount to almost £30m must have turned more than a few rearrangerz' fanz stomachs.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 22:34:01
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Paracetemol...reminds me of the old joke.

Why are there no painkillers in the jungle?

Cos parrots eat em all (paracetemol)

A joke better said me thinks.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 22:34:04
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Paracetemol...reminds me of the old joke.

Why are there no painkillers in the jungle?

Cos parrots eat em all (paracetemol)

A joke better said me thinks.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 22:37:23
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Joe Lewis was another one who walked away to invest in spurs instead and he was also a lifelong rangers fan.

What is it about Rangers that no one wants to invest in? I'll tell you - it's the bigoted scum that attach themselves to Rangers. The world has moved on and they unfortunately haven't.

Rangers legend Willie Waddell said after the 1972 Barcelona riot - "These fans will crucify the club" Little did he know just how much.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 22:43:54
Rangers fans must wonder where the hell they are going?

No money.

No investment.

No quality.

No titles for almost four years.

A duff team packed full of mediochrity.

No real youth prospects.

A manager who's past it.

An owner who wants to sell up and get the hell out.

Thousands of fans who the club want rid of.

A stadium that needs expansion to compete with Celtic.

Mounting debt.

Disillusioned fan base.

It all adds up to an armageddon scenario at Ibrox. Is it the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.

One thing's for sure, it's great being a Celtic fan just now.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 22:55:35
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I have no sympathy for Rangers or Murray or Smith or McCoist.

As you say they swaggered and gloated while we were in trouble and would have happily seen us going to the wall. Thankfully Fergus saved us and was a visionary who saw the long term instead of any quick fix.

Rangers now need such a visionary to save them but personally I hope this is the start of the decline which eventually will lead to their closure. Scottish football and society will be better off without them.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:06:16
348

They'd probably go back to who their great grandfathers supported before the early 1900s when Celtic did 6 in a row.

Rangers only came to prominence because the Ulster orangemen working in the clyde couldn't take the rise of the Irish Catholic club, Celtic.

These bigots attached themselves to Rangers simply because they were the nearest club to the Govan shipyards. Then others joined them as they became succesful.

Believe it or not but Partick Thistle, Queens Park, Dumbarton, Hearts and Clyde were bigger clubs than Rangers in the late 1800s.

So I guess Rangers decent fans will go and support their local team - Killie, Thistle, Motherwell, Hamilton, St Mirren, Hearts.

The non decent fans - ie those who just follow Rangers for bigoted reason will spend more time at BNP, and orange events.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:12:02
I don't think Rangers fans realise it but their club is heading a Leeds united route...they could end up with only 10,000 fans watching their home game and battling to secure a Uefa Cup place each season for the next 20 years.

They need a sugar daddy big time.
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:35:46
353

The link wouldn't open but I think I've seen the first balance sheet before in one of my Celtic History books. Does it list all the shareholders including; The Mckillops and John Glass?

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:36:38
354 Pundit you shall now be known as The Ostrich

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:39:36
354 Pundit - no I say this because Rangers FC currently has;

No money.

No investment or investors.

No quality from top to bottom.

No titles for almost four years.

A duff team packed full of mediochrity.

No real youth prospects.

A manager who's past it.

An owner who wants to sell up and get the hell out.

Thousands of bigoted fans who the club want rid of.

A stadium that needs expansion to compete with Celtic.

Mounting debt.

A disillusioned fan base.

A terrible reputation across the whole of Europe.

It all adds up to an armageddon scenario at Ibrox.

Is it the beginning of the end or just end of the beginning?
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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:41:52
Hey Ostrich get your head out of the sand and look at Post number 357.

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Marion Morrison,

07/01/2009 23:52:54
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Ostrich so why have Celtic's reserves won 8 titles in a row then??????

Heid-in-the-sand

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