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One year on from Reivers closure, rugby retains hold on heartland



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Published Date: 27 March 2008
Club game thriving in Borders but fears remain over migration of talent
THREE Borders clubs will contest SHE Cup quarter-finals next month, Selkirk are on the verge of a return to Division One and Gala and Peebles could also savour the sweet taste of championship success this weekend.

Life appears good in some parts of Borders rugby at least. Yet, exactly a year ago today, the region was engulfed in shock and anger and quickly swept up in doomsday scenarios after the Scottish Rugby Union announced that it was pulling the plug on the region's professional team, the Border Reivers. It was the second time the area had lost its professional presence, the union having 'merged' the original Reivers into Edinburgh in 1998, less than a year after it was launched as a pro outfit.

However, the SRU fared no better with the Reivers' return. Attendances at the three pro teams continued to rock between 1,000 and 4,000, for the big European games, and the union's overdraft slid further into the red despite continuing cutbacks.

The SRU board took the decision to revert to two teams and on 27 March, 2007, announced that the Borders would again take the hit, provoking instant condemnation for putting city teams before the one region were rugby was more popular than football, and concern that this would overturn that sporting balance. But has it? What is the feeling now, one year on?

While football is continuing to grow in the Borders, with more youngsters playing it now than ever, John Davidson, president of the Border League, claims club rugby is also flourishing in the wake of the pro team closure.

"A sense of calm has descended on the Borders clubs," he said. "The loss of the professional team was a bitter pill, and I wouldn't pretend that we haven't missed it, but we are moving forward.

"The uncertainty and negativity around whether the Borders would go or stay was the biggest problem I think, but now that has gone there is more enthusiasm and more focus on helping the clubs. At my club, Jed-Forest, we have increased our membership over the past two years, we're starting to see money filter down from the SRU to clubs, a lot of clubs are no longer trying to compete at semi-pro level by paying players and are turning their attentions to local players, and I think there is a greater sense of us all having a duty to look inwardly and grow the game.

"The SRU have also helped us set up an 'academy' at the Borders College in Galashiels, seconding Richie Dixon to it, which will open in September. One year on, the wider game in the Borders is very much in good health."

A contrasting view is provided by Richie Gray, one of the SRU's first development officers, who worked in the north, south, east and west, and was latterly the union's academy manager at the Border Reivers. He is putting together the new rugby/vocational academy at Borders College with Dixon, which he hopes can encourage young rugby talents to remain in the Borders, but he still fears a negative effect from the closure of the Borders pro team.

He said: "I would agree that the positive aspect of the decision is probably that everybody has now focused back on their club again, but we're getting crowds back at Gala, and Selkirk and Peebles, this season simply because we're winning.

"The main problem in Borders life is outward migration and the loss of the professional team has made that more serious in rugby. Most young kids in the Borders always wanted to be the best in rugby, and now that means turning pro and making a career of it, which means leaving here as a teenager for a pro academy somewhere.

"I will always encourage young lads to grasp opportunities and go and better themselves, but what does it leave here? I remember watching about 300 or so kids running around the Netherdale pitch after the final game against the Ospreys, in their Reivers jerseys, throwing passes and tackling each other, and wondering how we would keep that enthusiasm.

"I still worry about that. While we're turning into a talent pool for clubs across the UK and Europe to come and drain, our own rugby communities are losing their most exciting, inspirational figures and the link and affinity with the top end of the game."

However, Ross Ford, the Kelso and Borders hooker now starring for Edinburgh and Scotland, insisted: "There are always obstacles to making it in professional sport, and the decision to close the Borders was one last year, but it hasn't stopped me and I don't think it should stop any youngster in the Borders who wants to be a professional rugby player.

"If you work hard enough and perform you will still get noticed, no matter where you play in Scotland."

PLAYER'S VIEW: Ross Ford
Ross Ford, from Kelso, had to leave the Borders when the team closed. He is the current Edinburgh and Scotland hooker.

It was difficult for us as players when the decision was taken, but being a professional sport you just have to get on with it. If you want to pursue your dream, you have to sacrifice things, and that meant not playing for Kelso and moving away.

I moved from the Borders to Glasgow initially last summer and then Edinburgh, and I have really enjoyed it at Edinburgh. I've learnt so much, I'm playing better now and, as a team, we want to finish the season on a high and win silverware.

But I don't see why other youngsters from the Borders can't do the same. There are quite a few Borders boys involved with the national academy and Edinburgh – John Houston is a great example of a guy who was playing club rugby last year, was spotted playing well and has played in the Heineken Cup and for Scotland A this season.

We have development officers and coaches out identifying talent all over Scotland, so it's about training hard and playing well for your school and youth teams.

STAFF VIEW: RICHIE GRAY
Richie Gray was employed by the SRU as Borders Academy Manager. He is now a TV presenter and businessman.

My big worry has been the loss of young talent to Borders rugby communities. We were developing strong links between young pros at the academy and clubs across the Borders, but with no professional team they scattered across the world.

Even in Scotland, my own club Gala lost Roddy Grant to Heriot's, where Hawick's Bruce McNeil and Kelso's Scott Newlands also headed to, Greig Laidlaw is at Edinburgh Accies and there are others, because the SRU encourage them to Division One clubs – the 'shop window' for the pro teams.

I'm not a blinkered Borderer; I have worked all over Scotland, and know how hard we have to work in the north, east and west, to turn people on to rugby.

I see thousands of kids in the Borders whose first thought is to pick up a rugby ball, run with it, pass and tackle, who will play full-on rugby in the dark until their parents make them go home.

We are too small a country to be able to afford to cut off such sizeable parts of the body as Caledonia and the Borders.


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  • Last Updated: 27 March 2008 9:23 AM
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27/03/2008 00:57:14
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Gala Doug,

caspian sea 27/03/2008 07:08:58
There has to be something inherently wrong when the whole of the Borders is seen as only a feeder to the two city sides.I say this not just as a Borderer but as someone who fears for the future of Scottish rugby in general.I suspect there is a generation of city gentlemen that actually enjoyed the demise of The Reivers as some kind of paypack for years of dominance in the domestic game at club level by Border sides.
There were more people at the Gala v Peebles 3rd. Div game than at some of the Pro teams games,evidence that IF there had been a decent product on show supporters would have turned up.
By the way I have to agree with the first post !
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calum,

27/03/2008 07:11:39
And yet this week we read of the Borders Clubs, and Hawick in particular, wanting to abandon the national Cup competition (which they have won in the past) because of travelling......what about northern clubs, Orkney for example, who have stuck in and supported the competition?
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Stoo,

27/03/2008 08:02:43
"There were more people at the Gala v Peebles 3rd. Div game than at some of the Pro teams games,evidence that IF there had been a decent product on show supporters would have turned up"

Sadly they never joined me on the terracing on Friday nights - use it or lose it.
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Alistair Macintosh,

27/03/2008 08:14:36
In many ways the Reivers product was a much better one than the Edinburgh one. A couple of thousand people in a sixty thousand plus coffin does not give much atmosphere, whereas even with a smaller crowd Netherdale was a much better venue.
The SRU continued their run of mis-management in not having a 3rd professional side. We cannot produce the backbone of our national side from 2 pro sides.
I smile when I see the number of people wearing Reivers hats, tops etc to Murrayfield (myself included), I assume like myself its their small way of sticking 2 fingers up to the SRU.
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J.A.,

27/03/2008 08:37:06
"We are too small a country to be able to afford to cut off such sizeable parts of the body as Caledonia and the Borders" Well said Richie Gray!!
#4 "use it or loose it" I do agree with your sentiment, however, only if that applied to Edinburgh and Glasgow I think we would all understand.
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JonnyS,

Edinburgh 27/03/2008 08:44:55
At least this season Edinburgh have been building support. Glasgows crowds are no better than the Borders got - and they will always be fighting to compete with football. I would like to see us returning to 4 pro-teams at some point but we need existing 2 to do well first, get some form of outside investment, and build crowds to regularly above 5k in both teams before even contemplating. Or get external money.... but that didn't really work with Edinburgh?
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Stu,

Edinburgh 27/03/2008 08:47:31
If the borderers wanted the reivers all they had to do was go along and support them. Instead of seeing the big picture all they want to do is compare sheep sizes with the village nearest it.

Scottish rugby is stronger without the reivers and the emotional blackmail this had with it
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nhl,

on the fence 27/03/2008 09:36:18
Decision to close the Borders was purely financial even if 10000 were to support them they would not have been financially viable for the SRU. They would have closed a year earlier except that they finished above Glasgow in the league.
Talent always will leave the Borders and Scotland and play elsewhere. Scotlands greatest export is its people.
I think Mr Gray's initiative with the local college is highly commendable and more effort should be made to include schools and colleges all over Scotland to further the sport.

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maroon to the core,

Falkirk 27/03/2008 09:44:58
The SRU can not even facilitate properly. Look at Edinburgh this Friday, four players injured and the SRU insist on taking another three players away for a Sevens game which in all reality should play second fiddle to the needs of a serious 15's team. So there will be no surprise when on Friday night Edinburghs chances of having a successful season dissapear completely. Well done SRU.
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IaininSelkirk,

Stuck in edinburgh 27/03/2008 10:57:39
#8 stu
"If the borderers wanted the reivers all they had to do was go along and support them."
I think it should read more like - if the sru wanted the Borders then all they had to do was manage and market the situation accordingly. But then that's not exactly where their strengths lie is it?
Also, had you paid more attention and tried to keep up at the time, then you might have picked up on some points such as spectator numbers compared to Edinburgh and Glasgow, and that they actually had a home ground to play and train on. Obviously there's more to it than you realise.
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J.A.,

27/03/2008 11:00:27
#8 IDIOT
“Scottish rugby is stronger without the reivers and the emotional blackmail this had with it”. Are we really, when exactly are we going to see the fruits of this added strength you talk about.
So if Glasgow and Edinburgh want their pro teams, is all the need to do is go along and support them too? Or are they a special case with all the emotional blackmail attached to them?
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IaininSelkirk,

Stuck in edinburgh 27/03/2008 11:03:05
#8 stu

P.S. - It's not the size of the sheep that counts, but the quality. The same can be applied to most things in practice.
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Cathcart Boy,

London 27/03/2008 11:03:30
An Academy in the Borders sounds excellent. But with Ritchie Dixon in charge? When will he be retired? When will the SRU stop trotting him out into stop-gap roles? His record of success as a coach at higher / pro level is appalling, and I cannot see his nappointment being to the good of the emerging game.
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leemagee,

Perth 27/03/2008 11:26:41
It was a shame that the Borders closed and it has done nothing to help nourish talent in Scottish rugby. However, if the fans who are so keen to support the club teams had actually turned up to watch the Reivers then the closure may not have happened. Are these guys actually suggesting that the SRU should continually pay for a team who always finished near the bottom of the Celtic League and who struggled for crowds constantly?? That would have been even more detrimental to the Scottish game.

The real shame of it is that, whilst the Border Reivers have closed, the SRU bufties have decided on pay rises all round for them. Also, with Edinburgh playing some of their best ever rugby, they have taken 3 players out of the squad for what is a pretty meaningless 7's tournament. Nice...pull the rug from under the Edinburgh team's Magners League campaign!! Do these guys have any clue about business or rugby???
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IaininSelkirk,

edinburgh 27/03/2008 11:45:50
#15 leemagee
I think you'll find I covered your points in my earlier post - see #11.
Wake up and smell the $h!t - 'coz it's coming your way soon!
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Borderer in the 'Burgh,

Edinburgh 27/03/2008 11:58:18
#4 I agree with you. So many people could have come along and supported the Reivers but chose not to bother. It's a real shame. Getting to see teams like Northampton and the like in your own back yard was great on a Friday night. If only they had been given a little longer(and maybe some more funding)they might have been in the position that Edinburgh and Glasgow are now.
I still wear my Reiver shirts with pride so maybe one day we will have them back.
In the meantime EDINBURGH FOR MAGNERS LEAGUE CHAMPS 07/08!!
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IaininSelkirk,

27/03/2008 12:23:47
#17 Borderer in the 'Burgh
They might come back on the train!
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IaininSelkirk,

27/03/2008 12:44:21
Anyone seen Kayzer Snooze today?
One can only assume his was the first posting on this column - #1 comment removed by administrator. Reason - absolutely no relevence whatsoever to the above article!
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Macd123,

27/03/2008 15:23:12
Give the whole thing back to the clubs. I think people would be surprised at how well they would do.

You can still have elite programmes without sacrificing our entire domestic game.

The SRU can go back to supporting our clubs and schools
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Venachar,

27/03/2008 15:38:58
#20 Doh!

Rugby has been professional for over a decade in case you haven't noticed. Please do not cite the Argentina model of rugby.
Are you seriously suggesting that the pro players we have at present are distributed around the div 1 teams and then expect the clubs to face Toulouse, Leicester or Munster and expect to win. You need to stop smoking whatever you are smoking and get back down to earth.

"Elite programmes" who for? The Elite perhaps!
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Aubrey W,

Fyfe 27/03/2008 15:42:48
It's one thing to say things are going OK within the lower levels of border rugby, but it's quite another to say how this is going to generate more interest and many more able players higher up.

I do quite a lot of travelling around and I am horrified to see the progress and success of rugby in England, Ireland and Wales. (Not been to France, but judging by TV it looks strong). Good to see the game prospering, but such progress in assymmetrical and Scotland has been left behind.
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SKEEDLE,

Hawick 27/03/2008 18:00:09
The SRU didn't exactly endear themselves to the Borders people by firstly deciding that ALL the games would be played at Netherdale instead of rotating it round ALL the other Borders towns like they used to do, where they generated huge crowds with GREAT atmospheres and secondly a fair slice of the money cake would have helped to buy players right from the start. R.I.P REIVERS.
The SRU should Let a Caledonian club select play against a SOUTH of Scotland select home and away on different grounds each year then let the aggregate winner have a go in the European challenge cup. This would allow Glasgow and Edinburgh selectors to pick the best from the NATURAL NEXT TIER. Any thoughts?
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Edinburgh Pete ,

27/03/2008 19:20:37
Good to see the Scotsman raking up the past yet again !!!

The Borders closed for one simple reason; Money or the lack of it.

The SRU was never in a position to run three pro clubs. The Borders survived one season too many due to Carruthers coming in for Edinburgh however when Carruthers proved inept at running a pro team successfully, the SRU took the decision (rightly or wrongly) to bring Edinburgh back into full control and shut one team down. The Borders were the unlucky ones (easy target at the time due to its performance both on the pitch).

To survive as an international playing country we need professional players and teams (the more the better) otherwise we will drop out of the top 10 and be bottom of the 6 Nations for the rest of time. However for that to happen we also need money and currently we don't have any.

My guesstimate would be that it would cost a club something in the region of £1 to 2 million in staff costs alone each year to maintain a fully fledged pro team (my simple maths based on a squad of 30 players on avg salary 35K plus backroom and admin staff). You then have to add in the costs associated with the ground upkeep, travel, kit, medical and training facilities so the figure will be nearer £3M. To be viable and offset such costs you therefore need crowds in the region of 10,000 paying £20 a time for 9 home league matches to generate the level of income needed to supplement sponsorship and league money and that's probably just to stand still, and also needs to be found year on year.

In view of the fact that only a handful of our SPL teams get more than 10K at a game it is not surprising we only have 2 rugby pro teams in Scotland, both of which are propped up by the SRU overdraft and until finances improve it is unlikely to change in the near future.

It is also difficult to imagine that returning the pro game back to club rugby and using that structure as the basis for International success would be anything but catast
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Edinburgh Pete ,

27/03/2008 19:21:20
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It is also difficult to imagine that returning the pro game back to club rugby and using that structure as the basis for International success would be anything but catastrophic resulting in the financial ruin of many clubs who would not be able to sustain the level of finance nor the standard of player of player required to compete and in the end we will end up with a likely Old Firm scenario in rugby as is in football with a couple of heavyweights and a bunch of also rans which doesn't lend itself to competition and improved standards.

Our fortune will only improve if either the SRU get is acts together and sort out the finances once and for all or someone comes forward who has bottomless pockets and doesn't want any return for spending their hard earned money - any chance, we can only hope !!!!

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JBA,

27/03/2008 19:51:06
Looking at the wider picture, the results of the sheer stupidity of Irvine and McKie in disbanding the Reivers may not be seen for a few years until the current crop of pro players start to retire. With only 2 squads, one of which has 50% of overseas players the numbers of young Scottish players coming through the system with the experience and ability to step up to international level will be dramatically reduced. It is imperative that Scotland re-establishes a third team now followed by a fourth at a later date, all with their own youth academies attached. If private investors were involved there is no reason why 3 pro teams could not be viable. Unfortunately it is unlikely that any investor would deal with Mr McKie. The answer and actions are quite simple...
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J.A.,

27/03/2008 19:52:43
#25, 26
In learning from the past we may have an outside chance of not repeating the same mistakes in the future.
Like you, I find it hard to see where we go from here. There is absolutely no chance that the SRU will successfully reopen another pro-team after closing the Borders for the second time in less than in a decade.
Talking from a Borders prospective, so much confidence and good will was lost since the first shut down of the Borders, the public had little or no appetite to reinvest their hard earned cash in a team with no guaranteed future.If you reintroduce a team after you have scrapped it you need to invest heavily in the people from whom you are looking for support. The SRU bungled every opportunity they had to gain any public support and it is little wonder the team failed.
Yes, the Reivers is rightly seen as a failure when compared with the standards set by every other top rugby playing nation; I am not in agreement that it has failed when compared to our remaining two pro teams. In fact, when you study the facts and figures, Glasgow has been a greater failure and Edinburgh are very close behind them.
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ivor biggin,

27/03/2008 19:59:28
#15...how is hong kong 7's a meaningless tournament??
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Edinburgh Pete ,

27/03/2008 20:10:03
JA - have to admit that Glasgow have been a bit of a dissappointment this year particulalry as this was where the Borders cash was supposed to go to. Lineen was supposedly given a decent budget on the premsis they were the top team however to fritter it away on NZ / OZ has beens does our game no good and certainly hasnt improved Glasgow to any great extent who continue to hover mid table in ML and once agin failed in Europe despite a more straightforward group than Edinburgh.

Edinburgh's success has been more down to Robinson and the relaince of youth, for once a shrewd decision by the SRU but sadly there hasnt been many.
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Venachar,

27/03/2008 23:44:04
Edinburgh Pete

You probably underestimate things. If I was a young sporting person in the professional era I would not step out of bed for less than 35k.

How long do you have as a professional rugby player - 10 years max.

This is where the dismal targets set by calamatous Frankie and McKie are going to kill the game in Scotland.

What has seriously annoyed my wife and I is that we can see the outright potential in the players at both Edinburgh and Glasgow yet the senior coaches do not do anything with it except spin doctor.

I've always admired Sean Lineen as a player and have watched his progress as a coach and think that he is a Scotland coach for the future.

A lot of people are wanting Andy Robinson to take over, IMO this is wrong. He should take another year with Edinburgh and PROVE what a good crop of young players Edinburgh have by finishing as high up the Magners league as possible and then next year really doing some damage in the Heineken Cup.

I just wish that the so called Rugby fans in Edinburgh can get out and support the team as I do.
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Edinburgh Pete ,

28/03/2008 07:55:28
Venachar,
35k was for me a stab in the dark, if its higher then it makes the figures even more scary particulalry if you are wanting to attract top players and retain them.

Agree about Robbo, prefer him to stay and develop this squad with some good signings in the summer then have another successful season. We need strong pro sides. As it goes looks like Hadden is staying for the moment anyway - mores the pity.

 

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