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Hodge hedges bets as Godman challenges Parks for No10 jersey with World Cup seeding at stake for tourists

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Published Date: 10 June 2008
THERE is a weary reluctance in returning to the stand-off issue in Scottish rugby, but if Scotland are to give themselves a chance of a good World Cup draw in their final Test for five months it is impossible to escape the feeling that the selection at No10 for Saturday's second match in Argentina holds the key.
Fittingly, perhaps, former Scotland stand-off Duncan Hodge was put up by the tour management for interview yesterday with the squad back in Buenos Aires and fully debriefed from their 21-15 first Test defeat in Rosario. Hodge's first tour with Scotla
nd was to Argentina in 1994, as an 19-year-old, where he played in midweek games, but was an unused replacement in the Test matches.

Now, he is the youngest member of the coaching staff and, having watched the team lose by one point and then two in the two Buenos Aires Tests 14 years ago, he found himself in a similar position last weekend. He brings insight, therefore, into the difficulties in beating the Pumas, and also the influence of a stand-off.

The team for the second Test will not be announced until Thursday, though the coaches have deliberated over it already. Hodge would not be drawn on nor endorse any changes, but when asked about the option of replacing Dan Parks with Phil Godman, and Godman's abilities, he said he was confident his former Edinburgh protege could step up if asked, despite more than a year out of the Test picture.

"Phil last played in the Six Nations last year and this season he has come on," he said. "Certain things have helped that – goal-kicking, extra pressure, and him being a year older probably.

"Phil has a great range of kicks. Certainly from the games I've seen with Edinburgh this season, guys around him like Nick De Luca and Ben Cairns are playing well, so he's obviously good at bringing guys into the game, but then again it's very different at international level and he'll play with Graeme Morrison, who he's not used to in the same way as the other two.

"A Scotland environment is different with all these other people, not like a club environment where you're quite comfortable. I keep saying to the guys that there is a huge difference between playing pro rugby and international rugby. It's very hard to explain, but there is just is a massive difference in terms of time, pressure, the physical side of it, everything."

There was perhaps an inadvertent slip there, with the suggestion that Godman and Morrison may pair up, but while that would show faith in Morrison, this weekend is simply about winning and that would miss the chance to team up the Edinburgh quartet of Blair, Godman, De Luca and Cairns in a fashion that served Wales well with their Ospreys combinations in the Six Nations.

There is no hiding the pressure around this Test match. The defeat at the weekend has not altered Scotland's tenth place in the IRB rankings, but Fiji's win over Samoa in the Pacific Nations Cup has cut the Scots further adrift from ninth. Scotland must win in Buenos Aires to have any realistic chance of catching Ireland in eighth spot before the end of the year and securing a place in the pot of second seeds for the 2011 World Cup draw. Being a third seed would make a quarter-final place more difficult to achieve than ever.

Hodge acknowledged that a more clinical approach was necessary from Scotland this week and admitted that changing the stand-off's approach was not something achievable in the space of a week.

"The bottom line is still that we're not scoring as many tries as we would like and I don't think anyone would deny that," he said. "We're still getting chances to win games, still kicking penalties and so are in the right areas of the pitch, but if we could average a try-and-a-half-a-game, on top of 15 points at goal then we'd be winning a lot of games.

"(Stand-off] is like any position. People have their habits and their strengths and you can tinker with them, but it takes years and years to completely change someone. If you're talking about the timespan of a tour; if you were to say to Phil we want you to change X, or to Parksy 'change Y', well these things take a long time and they are also dependant on a whole load of things around them."

Argentina yesterday drafted five players into their squad – Test wings Federico Martin Aramburu (Perpignan), Horacio Agulla (Dax) and Lucas Borges (Treviso), experienced full-back Federico Serra from local club San Isidro and Alvario Garindo from Beziers – which is likely to strengthen their back division. Hodge added: "(Argentina] didn't change much last week and will come at us with a similar approach this week, but I've no doubts they will improve – we have to improve by a greater margin."



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  • Last Updated: 10 June 2008 3:26 PM
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1

Robinski,

10/06/2008 01:59:28
"(Stand-off] is like any position. People have their habits and their strengths and you can tinker with them, but it takes years and years to completely change someone. If you're talking about the timespan of a tour; if you were to say to Phil we want you to change X, or to Parksy 'change Y', well these things take a long time and they are also dependant on a whole load of things around them."

Does anyone know what is he saying? Sounds like more of the same rubbish again for Saturday as Scotland drifts away into oblivion...
2

leemagee,

Perth 10/06/2008 02:35:03
This nonsense just gets better and better! Firstly, our youngest coach in the Scotland squad is Duncan Hodge...so we are now employing people with absolutely NO coaching experience; getting caps doesn't make a good coach!
Secondly, I have been reading the other issues in this website about Scottish rugby and people have been saying they liked Hadden when he first arrived...Hadden has NEVER been a good international coach. Before Matt Williams came on board, I would have given Scotland 6 out of 10 for our 2003 WC efforts. When Williams came on board, this slumped to 2 out of 10. When Hadden came on board the rating recovered to 5 out of 10.
Hadden was never a good coach...he was simply better than Williams! The SRU are so concerned with saving money that they haven't realised you have to spend it to make it. So whilst Ireland and Wales have had coaches of the calibre of Graham Henry and Warren Gatland, we get Hadden; a school rugby coach with a less than great track record at Edinburgh. Don't forget, he was at the helm of an Edinburgh team with good funding and an array of Scotland squad members yet they never finished that high up on the table. Robinson comes in with a squad of young players after Edinburgh's summer of hell and in his first season achieves a higher finish than Hadden ever had. Now some Haddenites may hark on about Edinburgh's achievement in getting to the HC quarter finals when he was in charge, but if you watched their games you will know they pipped a Toulouse team in their first game, became the first team through to the quarter finals, before losing their remaining pool games and qualifying with less points than any of the other quarter-finalists. They then got comprehensively smashed by Toulouse!
Hadden needs to go...bottom line. The whole Parks fiasco will sort itself out with a new coach; only Hadden would persevere with Parks and DiRollo, whilst dumping DeLuca after 2 nervy games. Parks gets 40-odd nervy games but he still get
3

leemagee,

Perth 10/06/2008 02:36:49
Hadden needs to go...bottom line. The whole Parks fiasco will sort itself out with a new coach; only Hadden would persevere with Parks and DiRollo, whilst dumping DeLuca after 2 nervy games. Parks gets 40-odd nervy games but he still gets the nod.
When Robinson is the coach (this will happen before Christmas unless Lineen gets the nod) Blair, Godman, DeLuca and Cairns will form the centre of the backline. Then we can sit back and enjoy the future of Scottish rugby who have been carving up O'Driscoll, Contepomi, Henson, Shanklin etc for the past season.
Scottish Rugby is being made to look pathetic after Edinburgh and Glasgow had offered glimmers of hope with an excellent close to the season. With Parks lying so deep he needs a megaphone to communicate with Blair, and with Morrison offering a one-dimensional crash ball play, we are always going to finish low on the try count. DeLuca should be on for Morrison, with Morrison coming on in the last 15 minutes to smash through tired defenders.
The last time Scotland scored more than a couple of tries against good opposition was in the WC warm-up game against Ireland and...stop the press...Parks was not playing that day!!!
Coach is all wrong...tactics are damage control and trying to squeeze victories...fly half is wrong...SRU is wrong for keeping people on who would have been fired a long time ago with any other union.
Scotland will be a far better side with a week of Hadden being shown the door!!
4

parks is colin nish,

cape town 10/06/2008 04:18:47
'Fittingly, perhaps, former Scotland stand-off Duncan Hodge was put up by the tour management for interview yesterday'
COWARDS how dare you stick hodge up to justify your faults. Frank Hadden you are a disgrace, why don't you face up to the truth. you have continued to make massive selection errors and now you will let parks take all the blame and slip in godman without having the guts to admit you were wrong all along. We are drifting to the third tier of International rugby(where we belong on current form) and i guarantee that we will not fill murrayfield again if we continue with the most negative gameplan in international rugby.
It has actually become very very sad.
5

Dick the Dog,

Jakarta 10/06/2008 06:23:29

Whilst pulling away from the fly-half debate, worth recognising the comment made elsewhere in the paper on the under 20 world cup.

Coach Colin Robertson appreciates the team's task (referring to Springboks u-20's). "They're very physical and outstanding in quality across the field. Fifteen of their squad have been involved in Super 14."

15 of them have played in the super 14's !! If we're looking for class fly-halves now and in the future, perhaps we need to check with Cape Town's Registrar House on Scots grand-parentage, or find out which of these players owns a West Highland Terrier, as this would probably qualify them for playing for Scotland under RWC rules
6

Robbo,

Cape Town 10/06/2008 07:12:15
#6

I live in Cape Town, born in Edinburgh, and i have two sons playing school rugby and i think my 9 year old can kick better than Dan Parks!
7

Stoo,

10/06/2008 08:02:11
More brainless selection. Play Godman but pick him next to a crash ball nobody in Morrison.

Play De Luca hadden you idiot.
8

Red Dykes,

Highland 10/06/2008 08:04:42
I simply cannot believe we are STILL even debating stand-off and Dan Parks is involved. His horrendous ineptitude and lack of international quality was writ large on everybody's TV screens during the Six Nations. I truly hope we get humped by Argentina's Second XV and we can finally see the back of the Laurel & Hardy of rugby- Hadden and Parks.
9

jdships,

10/06/2008 08:09:53
It will intersting to see in years to come how rugby historians/biographers/auoto biographers deal with the Hadden/Parks "era" !!

Godman surely deserves his chance after another inept display by the incumbent - I don't even want to mention his name !!
10

thebigiam,

10/06/2008 08:18:36
No wonder we're in trouble if the height of our ambition is to average a try and a half a game.Sigh...

Maybe we'll look back on this tour with great affection, the glory glory days of getting 15 points on the board, once rule changes turn penalties into free kicks. Or maybe that'll mean Parks *has* to play just for his drop goal kicking...



11

bumpkin,

10/06/2008 08:30:23
Gordon Ross yet again languishes in the A team, winning in style, while parks the donkey messes up his 40th game for scotland.
I have not been to murrayfield since gogs was dropped, and will only return when he is back at 10 for scotland, or someone BETTER is selected.
Parks and godman or paterson are definitely not better.
12

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 08:33:17
For info Duncan Hodge has been coaching with Edinburgh the last few years - mainly as a kicking coach.

If De Luca is not going to play on this tour why was he not given an opportunity for some game time with the A Team? Personally I think Blair, Godman, DeLuca and Cairns would be a great midfield partnership... but that would make it difficult for Hadden to pick Parks!
13

Venachar,

10/06/2008 08:35:36
If there was ever a glaring pointer as to why we need a third team and /or as many players playing outwith Scotland then this is it. The lack of a decent player pool is harming our capability in key positions.
The current policy in bringing back players, itself a u-turn will damage us even more, as it will give certain players the easy option. Must play in Scotland to be selected - heard that somewhere before.
The bank balance may be upermost in Mr McKie's mind however in producing the abysmal onfield one dimensional displays we have seen over the last 18 month taking the easy option is destroying the brand.
Duncan Hodges assertion that it takes years to change a players style of play is perhaps technically correct. However many of the commentators here have eyes and we have seen Dan Parks change his style of play overnight with no little success in the Magner League. Dan Parks has not performed overall in a Scotland shirt and neither has the bosh up the centre attack by a six foot four seventeen stone centre.
I am fed up with spin, I have eyes and a brain and I know what I see in front of me. I walked out of Murrayfield with 10 minutes to go because it was an embarassment, it was not the type of rugby I was seeing regularly on a friday evening. Nothing has changed, it is still an embarassment, Mr Hadden is an embarassment and Mr McKie is bringing Scottish Rugby into disrepute.

14

Sun City,

10/06/2008 08:40:00
Being a third seed would make a quarter-final place more difficult to achieve than ever.
Yes, but I am sure that FH will be set a target by McKie to make the quarter finals but then be retained after a review of the tournament in which we finish bottom of our group.
McKie is supposed to be a hard-nosed, results oriented individual...not where FH or results on the pitch are concerned, that's for sure. If you fail to act on Hadden's abject performance Gordon you become accountable.
You should resign, but of course there are 400,000 reasons why you won't.
15

Give us a 7,

10/06/2008 08:43:25
From what I saw of Edinburgh a couple of seasons ago (every home game), Duncan Hodge should be the stand-off and not the spokesman !!!!!!

Turned just about every game he came on in, and the only person who looked as if he had any authority and control..........
16

shrek4,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 08:45:25
I think it's fair to say that if we field the same team on saturday we definitely won't win. I think the only way is to field a combination that has worked at pro level - Blair, Godman, De Luca, Cairns. I know it's not the same as international level but it's all we have and would give Godman a lift being thrown in at the deep end.

It would be nice to see Barclay get a run in the back row too. The Argies are soo good at slowing things down but it may just mean we get that quicker ball.

I reckon however if Parks is fit Hadden will play him :'(

17

Keyser Soze,

10/06/2008 08:46:05
there is no issue as far as i am concerned. Stick Chunk at 10 for all i care but dont play Parks.

Perhpas the best way for Scotland to develop as an international team is to loan Parks out to rival countries as a coach. That way he can teach their fly halves how to sit frighteningly deep, never run the ball, miss tackles and throw interception passes.

The plan is FOOLPROOF, i tell you.
18

blueberry,

exile 10/06/2008 08:52:23
#4 clearly you weren't at the WC warm-up game against Ireland, because Parks WAS playing, and played unusually well.

I'm not suggesting that Parks shouldn't go, but changing the facts to suit one's prejudices is a bit wick.
19

thebigiam,

10/06/2008 09:04:39
No 19 - Wasn't Paterson at 10, with Parks a late sub? I will be corrected on that one, not sure...

Point made by a couple of people about 2 pro teams is a good one. Take, for example, David Blair who is stand off for the A team for the game against Argentina. With Paterson returning to Edinburgh, he'll probably become 3rd choice. How much game time will he get to improve his game in that position?
20

Mobat,

10/06/2008 09:05:41
#17 while it may show a bit of Edinburgh myopia i agree that centre line up would be best. It doesn't matter who is out on the wings with Parks at 10 as they will only get the ball if he decides to kick it across there.

We might actually see a bit of rugby getting played
21

Mobat,

10/06/2008 09:12:44
#20

correct mossy started with parks on the bench
22

Gordon Brittas,

10/06/2008 09:39:47
No 19, there is no place on this forum for any kind of pro Parks conversation, however minimal it may have been. I believe that if you were to trawl through the Scotland match reports from the last year or 2 you would struggle to find over 5% that would paint Parks in a generous light, yet still he plays on. Surely the correlation between Scotland's hopeless, inspiration-less performances and Parks playing in the pivotal position is there for all to see.
I understand that all cannot be fully blamed on Parks, only the majority, but surely the end must be in sight, it's becoming prety depressing to be a Scotland supporter while that fool is in control along with Hadden.
23

woeful rugby fan,

Cupar 10/06/2008 09:48:30
In fact 19, it seems YOU weren't at the Ireland warm up match! CP played 60 minutes at stand-off in the pouring rain and we got 4 out of 5 tries over while he was playing. That's actually MORE than we scored in the whole Six Nations, and funny enough, our first try in that competition was also against Ireland- when CP was at stand-off!
24

Venachar,

10/06/2008 09:51:41
#24

The only person in Scotland who thinks Dan Parks is superman is Frank Hadden.
25

Lederblix,

10/06/2008 10:02:34
Jones of Newcastle Falcons who played FB for Scotland A last saturday plays both 10 & 15 (not simultaneously); he scored three tries and looks pretty sharp - maybe he's one for the future, or will he be kept at 15 to gain experience (yawn - heard that before somewhere)
26

Jockbok,

10/06/2008 10:07:41
At the England match last season a chap in front of me said that Hodge had spoken recently at a rugby dinner. During a Q&A, Hodge commented that Parks' kicking technique actually gave rise to more charge downs. It was an interesting observation. Now Hodge is kicking coach!

Perhaps aware of the likelihood that he may be charged down, Parks has decided to sit back in the pocket. This naturally means that his ability to get the backs going forward close to the gainline is reduced.

Drop Parks, sack Hadden who has not got a clue and sack McKie. I for one would love to see the reintroduction of a thrid team if only to get guys playing rather than sitting around watching their clubs most Saturdays.

#19 - I agree. You mention Blair. What about James Thompson? With Southwell, Paterson, MacRae and Thompson Edinburgh have four fullbacks/utility backs. What chance has the talent got to come through?
27

Sir Saltire,

10/06/2008 10:07:58
It speaks volumes when the only defence of Dan Parks is that he played well in the world cup warm up against Ireland, when it was actually Paterson who was the starting ten! Playing our limited, negative, anti-rugby style (we are the Glasgow Rangers of international rugby), we nearly managed to sneak a win on Saturday. This means that there is no chance whatsoever Hadden will radically change his team or his tactics...unless he's forced to. If fit, Parks will play.

28

leemagee,

Perth 10/06/2008 10:33:17
Hadden has now put himself between a rock and a hard place:
He plays Parks and we get beaten again, only this time more severely as Argentina introduce some more of their first team players,
or,
He plays Godman and we win the game, but it highlights the fact that he should have made the change months, if not years ago.
It's time for Hadden to bite the bullet as his time is up either way.

On a complete side note...Number 19; I didn't change the facts to suit my opinion, 4 of the 5 tries scored were when Paterson was at 10! Maybe you should check YOUR facts before you make up your own English..."a bit wick" is it?? What I said had nothing to do with candles!!
29

Stoobing,

London 10/06/2008 10:43:37
Just read that comment from #1. Priceless! "A brave stand off like Craig Chalmers." Brave?! He'd run out of the way of his own shadow if it came at him.

Those who back Parks because of his performance in a warm up game pre World Cup must be Aussie relatives. His performance against Italy in the 6N was a calamity, and should have been his swansong irrespective of Glasgow performances. While he plays very well for his club, he has been shown up time and again as an international nobody.

Godman and De Luca please. Hadden would release the slack around his neck if he at least showed a little ambition in his selections.
30

Know All,

Dordogne 10/06/2008 10:45:00
Tuesday 10th June at 7.00pm on British Eurosport 2 TV
Argentina v Tonga.....!!
31

Venachar,

10/06/2008 11:37:19
#31

Think Craig Chamlers got his jaw or cheek broken taking the game to the French one time, that was a pretty bad bit of foul play as it was a deliberate act.
Never mind at standoff, as coach would do at the moment.
32

sodajerk,

10/06/2008 11:37:30
Anyone but Parks for no 10.

He is like Gregor Townsend,minus the occasional moment of magic.

eg flipped pass to Hastings in Paris a few years back.
33

Red Dykes,

Tain 10/06/2008 13:18:51
Two words I never thought I'd see in one sentence - Parks and "magic" - Haddens stubborn, insightless, and quite frankly, terminal selection of this player highlights one fact - HE is no international rugby coach.
34

Francis,

10/06/2008 14:27:47
It's interesting that as recently as February this year the same Duncan Hodge was insisting that Chris Paterson was the man for the No 10 position!
35

W.Robertson,

10/06/2008 15:46:00
Petterson should be given another chance at 10. What I really don't get is that before the WC and 6 Nations, he openly staed he wanted to crack 10. If everyone thinks he's as good as believes, then why not give him a proper shot? It's not like Hadden ever gave him enough game time to really get some control over the game.

Everyone in the 6 Nations were shouting for Patterson at 10 (media and ex-players included), why not give him a proper run at starting at 10 for a consecutive number of games to see what he can do?

The park's fiasco is now beyond a joke....
36

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 15:53:52
I heard Robinson interviwed - his main comment was could not get enough quick ball. Sean Lineen said exactly same thing.

Parks is not an instinctive player, he wants an extra step to make up his mind. He will waste quick ball to him or make it look slow, at this level.

SRU must take blame for not sorting out Hadden.
37

goose,

10/06/2008 16:29:36
9 - Balir
10 - Godman
11 - Evans
12 - Morrison
13 - DeLuca
14 - Webster
15 - Cairns
38

Mobat,

10/06/2008 16:38:43
#39

Lets play the players where they've been this season so NdL at 12 & Cairns at 13. If we want a token Warrior perhaps we can get Stortoni at 15!!
39

Middlemarch,

The Middle of the March 10/06/2008 17:13:40
#31

A lot of minus things could be said of Chalmers as a player but he was a tackling stand off.
40

bigbadbroon,

big smoke 10/06/2008 18:06:59
#31 - for Stoobing read Stoopid - you really dont know the game very well do you!

Chic had his (many) limitations but was recognised world wide as brave tackling stand off and although not perhaps in the kamikaze mould of Jonny Wilkinson was a close second (...and look at the state of Wilkinson fitness due to his approach).

Stick to what you know....and not what you think you know!
41

JBA,

10/06/2008 20:27:57
Many experienced and respected rugby people and sports journalists, advised and warned McKie that by cutting to 2 pro sides, and 1 rugby academy, national rugby would deteriorate in a few years, and they were right, but much quicker than expected. At every level in the 15 a side game our national sides performances have declined over the past year. How on earth can we compete even with small countries like Wales and Ireland with 4 pro sides, and each with their own youth academies. Scotland no longer has a large enough pool of players to select from and therefore there is no competition for places. Things can only get worse with fewer youngsters coming through one centralised academy. The worrying situation is that Scotland could actually fall to the level of Spain or Portugal. Obviously Hadden must go, but more importantly McKie must be replaced by someone with rugby experiece and the best interest of Scottish rugby at heart.
42

La barrière de Senlis,

France 10/06/2008 21:53:01
#43
So depressing, but unfortunately realistic

 

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