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We will cope without Boyd - Butcher



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Published Date: 14 October 2008
Scotland are ready and able to "move on" without Kris Boyd.
Assistant coach Terry Butcher admits Boyd's decision to refuse to play for his country during George Burley's tenure as manager came as a "shock" – but he has no doubt Scotland can prosper without the Rangers striker.

"We have to move on without Kris Boyd and we certainly will do," Butcher told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"We have enough players."

Scotland were held to a frustrating 0-0 World Cup qualifying draw at home to Norway on Saturday – after which Boyd quit, citing a lack of opportunity under Burley.

Butcher believes Boyd's future absence is the right move, though, if the 25-year-old is no longer truly committed to the cause.

"It is his decision – and as George said quite rightly yesterday, every national coach wants players who are 100% behind playing for their country," he said.

The full article contains 154 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 14 October 2008 12:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

aljok.23,

the world 14/10/2008 13:01:34
Now when we get rid of any other players who are not fully committed then Burley will be able to pick from a team that really wants to play. That rules out any Glasgow Rangers players anyway.
2

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:03:25
Are there any photgraphs of Boyd smiling?

3

Survivor Of Riots,

14/10/2008 13:05:47
Just as easily as we could cope without you Terry.

Don't let the door hit yoor chorus and verse on the way oot!
4

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14/10/2008 13:15:33
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SuperSaint,

14/10/2008 13:26:29
#4 Very much so.

Gorgeous George should be sending Boyd a nice card and a muffin basket for this one. "Thanks for taking the bullet for me Big Guy. Love GB xx".

Just like he did to McCulloch after the Macedonian nighmare.

Who's quitting after The Netherlands pump 6 past us? Hopefully the, aforementioned, GB!
6

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:28:09
"vanboyd"

Transit-vanboyd....
7

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:31:05
5

It won't be any of the Rearrangers lads......they've all got their call aff excuses already prepared!
8

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 13:37:11
BTO, Loves Hearts, can't stop talking about them in-fact.
BBC News flash 'Boyd seen chasing the chip van' still he's getting in shape then...!
9

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 13:39:06
SOB!....GULP!....SNIFF!

I know its gonna be hard but I'll try and be a brave soldier and not get TOO upset at the passing of the great man...I havent been this cut up since the loss of Scott Gemmell....Where's my man size tissues...PARP!
10

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:43:51
Right....time for the caption quiz.....

What is going through Boyd's mind in the photo above?
11

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:45:00
I reckon he's thinking.....

I wonder if they make this trackie in XXXXXXXL size...
12

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:46:17
I think he's hoping Wattie mistakes him fur KM and gets a game....
13

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:47:31
Or is he thinking......

I wonder if Ally will notice I've nicked his trackie....
14

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 13:48:50
He's thinking.." Ah thought they gave you Yellow reflector strips for yer Cycle Proficiency test..."
15

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 13:49:00
BTO, Who's Boyd going to go to in January? Will you still love him as much when he goes to the Jam Tarts?
16

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 13:51:39
Boyd...The NEW Gary McSwegan....LOLOLOL
17

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:52:34
I reckon he's trying to remember the chippie order fur the team......

...noo that's 2 fish suppers fur the rocket man...5 cheeseburgers and chips fur Ally....a haggis supper and 3 pickled onions fur Kenny McDowell....and a KFC family bucket fur me...or wis it 2 haggis suppers?
18

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 13:52:46
BTO have one on right now...as a Hoops fan its easier to have a "Happy Smiler" badge...Course,I look like Shane MacGowan nowadays......
19

SuperSaint,

14/10/2008 13:54:24
Caption: "Thanks GB. Muffin basket a nice touch ... just too small! Love KB xx".
20

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:54:34
24

Aye.....but without the smiles!
21

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 13:56:05
Another thought..."Any mair o this male pattern baldness stuff and a'hm gonna look like Count Von Count fae the Muppets..."
22

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 13:57:44
Who else reckons that strap round his shooder is holding a battery pack to help him think?
23

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:00:11
Swordy

Did you really need to bring Shane McGowan into the thread......now I cant get that ugly Barstewards face oot ma heid....and I've just eaten....
24

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:00:15
Paul its an Ayrshire version of Sat Nav...You take this piece of string,tie it to your front door and off you go.When you want to find your way home Hey Presto! Just roll up the string and you are there ...
25

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:01:37
Paul..Met the great man a couple of times here in Dublin (in a pub,not surprisingly) ad a grand fellow he is...
26

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:02:48
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BTO.....was she awake at this point?
27

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:04:34
Swordy....

Have you ever met him sober.....and how would you know?
28

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:05:21
Could be an "Adventure Kit"...Remember them things with a pouch,Binos,camera,torch and a book on the local wildlife....Or as they say in Tarbolton.."Yer Saturday Night Survival Kit...
29

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:06:50
Paul..Sober both times (Though he wass on LARGE G&T's) Bought me a drink when I told him I lost a shoe at the Pogues Barrowlands gig in 88...Halcyon Days!
30

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:10:01
Swordy....

Question.....when you met him....were you full of the landlords laughter liquid?....and if so....to what level?
31

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:13:37
Paul...I HAD partaken of Arthur's finest that afternoon but was in full command of my faculties.... things went to pot though...later
32

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:14:27
BTO Especially hard to lose with that large Mod roundel target thingy on the back....
33

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:15:02
I've always thought McGowan would be the perfect biology class project.....

How to have a great time destroying the human body....
34

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:17:25
Paul apart from his roalties,I believe he makes a load of cash from beating the Dead Pool mob every year...
35

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:17:52
BTO

A parker....that's nothin....I lost a weekend once.....

Try explaining that to the good lady...
36

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:17:56
royalties....Always hated that word...PFFFFFmmmH
37

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:18:35
Surely a puff of exhaust smoke....?
38

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:22:18
Nothing compared to wee bertie...He's lost his perspective,cool,mind,sense of humour and every arguement since he showed up a couple f days ago...now he'll lose sleep wondering where it all went wrong...
39

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:24:56
BTO....

This is starting to sound very Monty Python....
40

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:26:54
Shhhhhhushhh Swordy....or you'll wake the ffuker up!
41

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 14:29:06
Believe it or not....I just tried to use the word ffecker..(without the second f) and it's a band word???

Can someone please explain this....as I fear I may have to exfoliate....
42

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:29:41
BTO ..So is that like a Chinese Takeaway only further east?

Where is Philip The Good? I miss him so.....
43

Talk o' the Toun,

14/10/2008 14:31:56
Opposite true IMO....too many trying to deflect from Boyd acting like a schoolboy by highlighting Burleys shortcomings.
44

Montford's Jaicket,

14/10/2008 14:35:13
#58 Wee Bertie showed up a day or so after Jack Em got thrown out for a racist comment. Jack Em appeared around the time that Walter's B&W Army disappeared from the boards - is any of this significant? More importantly, will Wee Bertie last beyond the end of the month?
I suspect these are all the same person as their names were always in CAPITALS.
What was this board about again? Oh, yes - Scotland after Boyd. Yep - I think we will be able to carry on playing football without him. Whatever happened to Craig Beattie?
45

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 14:37:15
Wee bertie,
Now he was a laugh, I wonder if he's woken up yet, bet he's forgot his pass word...
46

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:39:24
Paul..We here in God's Green Isle use Feckerr all the time and it is not considered a swear word as it stems from Feckless =.."having no sense of responsibility; indifferent; lazy." (See that Boyd,he's a feckless twonk)But then again it DOES sound great when you use it...
47

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:46:07
Arfur...Dont think that Jack Em is Wee Bertie...Disgusting though Jack and his beliefs are he,at least could spell and construct a sentence (albeit straight from the pages of Mein Kampf)

Nah, Bertie is one of those glassy eyed skelfs that hang around off licences and Spar shops trying to cadge fags with that horrid nasal whine ("Haw,big chap sees a wee ciggie,Cheers bud!")You wont hear from him after 8pm as thats when the Community P.C. in the Library is switched off...Roll on 8 pm!
48

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 14:47:20
BTO, Wee Bertie filled in for you a few nites ago and was on here both day and nite, I think you would have got on with him, he was very fond of Rangers and wasn't shy in letting everyone know.
49

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 14:51:17
This is about Boyd not Burley, Boyd's a disgrace to the jersey and anyway he's hardly Kenny Dalglish is he??? just frees up a place for someone who WANTS to play for Scotland.
50

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 14:56:19
BTO..Best Only Fools sketch was the Seance above the Nags Head where the spirit was contacted and the medium described the spirit as having long blonde hair and lots of jewelery..."Who is it?" says Trigger....."Jimmy Saville?"
51

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 14:57:27
BTO, Back to the Glorious Hearts again, are you %100 sure that you don't support the JT's? Take your time...
52

the beast,

London 14/10/2008 15:00:06
Fools and Horses best sight gag was when he went to lean on the bar and the hatch was up,
Been there, done that....


And it hurt....
53

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 15:03:19
Best throw away line...Del boy on how old Gramps was..."He was doing that when Nelson Mandela was still in Borstal..." CLASSIC!
54

Talk o' the Toun,

14/10/2008 15:06:36
#BTO.... do you disagree with my post? Do you understand my post?Can you comment without bringing Hearts into it?
Anticipated Answers: No No No.

Your obsession with HEARTS is worrying enough but it appears you are now becoming obsessed with me(slightly more worrying; sorry but married with bairns/grandkids)

REMEDY FOR YOUR CONDITION:Ignore my posts/allow others to judge/comment/or ignore as they see fit and i promise not to bring up the fact that you tried to gain credibility by passing yourself of as an actuary based in japan who helped coach Scotland & arsenal who counted no less than Wee Robbo as his cousin(despite the fact you mixed him up with JR of forrest fame)
55

Talk o' the Toun,

14/10/2008 15:25:15
# Clearly you were not memorable as he denies all knowledge of relation in Japan previously involved with Arsenal & Scotland. Found the post where you did claim to be an actuary(you are a porky pier!!!)

However as i find you incredibly boring and totally devoid of football knowledge i hereby pledge not to bring up again the fact that you are 'conservative' with the truth.Further if it is Ok with you time to move on.... i will blank you forthwith.Feel free to carry on your 'attention seeking/Billy no mates' posts as i recognise that you are doing no one any harm.
56

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 14/10/2008 15:31:52
Sorry, but I cant take Terry Botcher seriously. This is the man who critised Rangers complaining about the number of games they played last season by saying he regularly played over 70 games a season with Ipswich. The records prove otherwise.
The man should never be near a position with the national side.
57

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14/10/2008 15:34:46
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rorie,

alloa 14/10/2008 15:44:27
butcher is right, we will cope without boyd, but we will manage a lot better without him and that smarmy wee nyaff who's a*** he's got his nose up.
59

Pattie O'Dores,

14/10/2008 15:47:36
The big shock is that this newspaper has seen fit to devote so many headlines / articles to Splintersarse's decision not to warm the international bench any more and concentrate on warming the Ibrox bench instead. So what? Good riddance. Let's move on.
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Survivor Of Riots,

14/10/2008 15:56:53
I'm just gutted that we wont see the Boydie rollover when he scores for Scotland.

The angry face, the big runny up and then the 2 minutes it takes him to do one full orbit of his own dimension.

It was almost balletic and should have been done to the theme music of Space Odyssey.

Dooo Rooo Rooo Roooo



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14/10/2008 15:58:09
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14/10/2008 16:14:08
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Survivor Of Riots,

14/10/2008 16:16:33
"Walter" has also made a rod for his own back over this.

When we do return to domestic hostilities, he will have a decision to make on Saturday against Dundee Utd.

Option 1 - Placate the ReaRangers hoardes and play Boyd as a GIRFUY to the critics?

Option 2 - start Boyd on the bench and then (it'll never happen I know) be asked awkward questions about Boyds future?

None of these options have an easy long term out for "walter".

If he starts and scores, the clamour for him to be in the team from Scotlands media will outweigh that on George Burley (aye right)

If he starts and dizny score playing his normal KAK games, thats a bummer for both Boyd and "walter"

The only winner in all of this is the bold Kenny Misser. He must be chuckling away to himself as he pushes Boyd out at both club and international level.

And the ReaRangers fans blame George Burley...
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paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 16:18:42
SoR....



The written word....just doesn't do the Boyd....rolly...poly....the same justice....

It's one of those.....has top be seen to be laughed at moments....

It was very school like in it's execution....
65

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 16:25:34
And the the thing is SoR.....he completes his roly poly and gets up with a face to suggest.....he has just performed an outstanding movement from Der fleidermouse....
66

paulmac,

surrey 14/10/2008 16:27:22
97

He might just take the easy option.....and leave him oot altogether.....

Cos he's injured.......cough!
67

Survivor Of Riots,

14/10/2008 16:30:29
#99 - wi' a face like beetroot and the sweat pashin' off of him.
68

Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 16:50:04
SOR...I believe that was a "101 Damnations" quote there....ARF!
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14/10/2008 17:02:54
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Der Kaiser,

14/10/2008 17:45:43
With Boyd quitting Scotland where will he play football now?
....What's that?....he plays for Rangers?
Since when?

Seriously though, I hope that at whatever point in the future when Scotland have a new manager he WON'T allow Boyd back in the setup. I always liked Boyd as a player....good poacher but now he's thrown the toys out the pram I don't ever want to ever see him back in the Scotland setup. He's had a reputation as being a lazy player, even Darren Fletcher said he was the worst trainer on his wee stint on SoccerAM. So regardless of his goalscoring, if he's simply walking about in training I understand why he's not getting his game. Similarly he's not playing regularly for club so that should go against him. But going off in the huff cos he didnae get a game speaks volumes and that should be the end of the road. It should be an honour even to get ASKED to play for Scotland but he obviously doesn't see things that way.

Another good thing is I suppose it's another Rangers player who can no longer withdraw from a Scotland squad due to "injury" to then pop up in a Rangers shirt a few days later all better.

So in summary....good riddance (IMO).
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Swordsman,

Dublin 14/10/2008 17:48:59
Back at Govan..."On the Waterfront" and Kris is in the back of SDM's Limo (Well,its really the car from the Anthill Mob in Whacky Races) with SDM.."Sorry Boss,I coulda been a contender.."
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 14/10/2008 19:00:10
Boyd has made as many appearances for his club as a few sho played against Norway, which flies in the face of George's decision not to play him.

That sid Boyd has made an awful decision.
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 14/10/2008 19:00:42
Meant George's reason, not decision.
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 14/10/2008 19:01:02
...and said, not sid.
76

Jaggy,

14/10/2008 19:32:47
#107 ..... Boyd has scored more goals than Fletcher and Iwelumo combined and has made more starts this season than Robson (for example). So Burley is being less than honest in his reasoning.

In any event, as Burley had declined to give Boyd a game, I really don't see what the problem is with Boyd declining to be considered for future selections.

Seems to me that manager and player have come to a mutually agreeable arrangement.
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 14/10/2008 19:37:43
Jaggy, I agree that Burley's reason for not playing Boyd is about as plausible as his reckoning that his subs "changed the game" (was 0-0 when they cam on George, who scored?). What I can't agree with is that Boyd has made the right decision.
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Jaggy,

14/10/2008 19:43:37
#111 ... I agree with you based on the facts we have. Yet Boyd has been willing to wait at Ibrox despite an opportunity of a transfer last summer. He could easily have done a Cousin and effectively forced a move. That is why I think that other things were said between Burley and Boyd which precipitated his decision.

I am willing to bet that all is not well in the Scotland camp and that there is more to come.
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Media 1,

cape town 14/10/2008 20:02:10
Kris Boyd will get you goals - So personally I would mould my team around him.
Burley is a good manager, he just isnt the man for the Scotland job. He applied, they hired him and now its time to get rid of him.

If Boyd was at Celtic he would play every week and score 40 plus a season, because unlike Scotland and Rangers, Celtic are inherently used to attacking! And they know how to use attackers.

HAD Hartson gone to Rangers he would have scored half the goals he scored at Celtic - FACT!
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 14/10/2008 20:05:50
CONJECTURE!
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radge dug,

14/10/2008 20:07:07
Build a team around Boyd??!!! Various different managers have found out that Boyd is lazy and not a team player. Aye, he gets goals, but he needs to stop whinging and start working.

Agree about Burley and Scotland. N. Ireland had the balls to get rid off their dud, we should too.
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Media 1,

cape town 14/10/2008 20:13:54
radge dug

I disagree - look at the managers who dont use Boyd!

McLeish, Smith and Burley - all focussed on not losing, as opposed to winning!!

Strachan would play Boyd - because at Celtic, other players will work their socks off to get the ball to Boyd in the knowledge that he will put it away..
Telling you now, he would get 40 a season at a team who know how to attack..
83

"PAWS" FOR THOUGHT,

14/10/2008 20:58:54
Kris Boyd?........we'd be as well picking TOM Boyd........at least he'd put in a shift for you, and didn't get huffy.
Playing for Scotland is an honour and a privilege, and is NOT the right of anyone EVER !!
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Jaggy,

14/10/2008 21:09:11
#117

"we'd be as well picking TOM Boyd........at least he'd put in a shift for you, and didn't get huffy."

That is the problem. Boyd doesn't "do" shifts. Boyd sits in and around the penalty box and scores goals. It is up to the rest of the team to do the shift.

The problem Scotland have - and to a lesser extent Rangers - is that they don't have the quality to create the chances and space for Boyd to slot the ball home with monotonous regularity. Boyd usually gets the blame for this of course.

When Boyd was paired with Prso, he scored a ton of goals. Why? Because Prso was pulling the defence all over the place and creating that space and those opportunities.

media is right. He probably would score a ton of goals at Celtc especially with that other well known Scot, McGeady, there to create the opportunities.
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Richardinho,

14/10/2008 23:13:38
'Kris Boyd will get you goals - So personally I would mould my team around him.'

Build your team around a player who periodically goes off on a huff? Great, as long as you don't mind building your predictions against the weather forecast.

 

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