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Hadden caught short as English clubs refuse to release ten players



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Published Date: 23 September 2008
THE Scottish Rugby Union has made a formal complaint to the International Rugby Board after the national team's English-based players were refused permission to attend yesterday's training session at Murrayfield.
Premier Rugby, the umbrella organisation representing Guinness Premiership clubs, instructed each of its teams not to release players for what was Scotland's first get-together of the new season.

The snub has sparked a conflict that head coach Frank Hadden had hoped to avoid after recently embarking on a bridge-building tour of foreign clubs with Scotland players in their squads.

Hadden appeared to be bracing himself for the absence of some of his exiles by naming a 50-man squad last week for yesterday's training session.

The ten Premiership players missing yesterday were Alasdair Strokosch, Alasdair Dickinson, Rory Lawson and Scott Lawson (all Gloucester), Sean Lamont and Euan Murray (both Northampton), Rory Lamont and Jason White (both Sale), Gordon Ross (Saracens) and Stephen Jones (Newcastle).

A spokesman for the SRU said: "We provided these clubs with ample notice of this short training camp and usual custom and practice has resulted in our England-based players being made available to Scotland for training camps.

"We are obviously concerned that our tried and tested relationship with these English clubs has been upset by the sudden intervention of Premier Rugby and as a result of today's non-appearance of so many players, we have made formal representation to the IRB, the world's governing body, to resolve this matter."

The SRU has urged the IRB to resolve the matter before its final preparations begin for the November Tests against New Zealand, South Africa and Canada. The results of these matches will determine Scotland's ranking going into the draw for the 2011 World Cup.

The spokesman added: "It is essential that our national squad players are suitably prepared for these games and we will be seeking further information from the IRB to ensure that Scotland has a clear understanding of the IRB's regulations governing player release for international matches and preparation.

"The IRB's first port of call is the RFU, the governing body of the game in England, and we await the outcome of their discussions with interest."

Hadden has been at pains to emphasise the importance of securing more preparation time with his players, and had been hoping to secure their release two weeks before every Test.

England counterpart Martin Johnson is able to do just that as the Rugby Football Union pay Premiership clubs for the privilege. That also applies to training get-togethers, whereas there is no such agreement with Scotland.

Indeed, it also emerged last night that Hadden would not be given the access he craves prior to Test matches, with Premier Rugby confirming they would not budge from a five-day release period.

A spokesman for Premier Rugby said: "We are sticking to those release periods and not releasing outside of those periods. I think we have to be consistent that this is the state of affairs, not just for Scotland. You can imagine similar representation will come from the Irish, the Welsh, the Italians etc."

He added: "There will be some cases where one club could lose one player but another could lose six or seven players."

As well as the absence of the English-based players, Glasgow Warriors hooker Fergus Thomson also missed yesterday's gathering as he was seeing a specialist with regard to a shoulder injury.

Meanwhile, Hadden reported that Edinburgh head coach Andy Robinson and his Glasgow counterpart Sean Lineen would be involved in Scotland's selection for the November Test matches.

Hadden – whose new assistants, Mike Brewer and Graham Steadman, will also work closely with both clubs – said: "I believe it's important that the men who see the players on a daily basis are involved in selection. I will also be tapping into Sean's intimate knowledge of New Zealand rugby and making use of his experience in that regard during the autumn Tests.

"Sean will also be involved as a specialist coach, much like Duncan Hodge our kicking analyst, during the autumn games."

Robinson and Lineen were Hadden's assistants on the two-Test tour of Argentina during the summer. At the end of the series, which saw Scotland lose one match and win one, the two assistants indicated that they did not want to continue as hands-on assistants to the coach at the same time as coaching Scotland's two professional sides.

BACKGROUND

THE stand-off between the Scottish Rugby Union and leading English clubs came to a head in February 2007 when Sean Lamont, Jim Hamilton and Rory Lawson all sat out a Scotland training session on the instructions of their clubs. The gathering had been called for the "fallow" week of the Six Nations, with no international matches scheduled.

Premier League Rugby maintained that if the SRU wanted players outside international weeks, they should pay clubs for the privilege. The tactic was in contravention of International Rugby Board regulations, but the IRB said nothing would be done to enforce the regulations unless a complaint was received from a member union.

The SRU was reluctant to take such a course of action, and instead coach Frank Hadden has tried to build a relationship with affected clubs. It appears that this has not worked, and a complaint has now been lodged. If the clubs are found to be in breach of IRB regulations, they could be barred from fielding their Scotland players for ten days.

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  • Last Updated: 22 September 2008 11:19 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: SRU
 
1

leemagee,

Perth 23/09/2008 01:42:26
You can see why the English clubs don't want to release players as it can really hurt their chances of winning games, but to hold them back from training sessions is ridiculous. The players should be allowed to represent their country if they wish, as this is surely the highest honour they can achieve aside from Lions selection. Rory Lawson must be especially frustrated as he has had few chances to usurpe Cusiter as back-up for Blair and this doesn't help.
Come on IRB, sort this nonsense out!!
2

Aligator,

23/09/2008 02:24:21
It gives the English clubs Scottish players to replace the English players when those are away with Martin Johnston and team. Noway they have an interest in meeting Hadden's request. This must be fought at IRB level, and for all countries to ensure fairness and not just favoritism for the English. Otherwise the English Clubs will have unhappy international players and, in the end, loose them except for those with no international dreams.
3

Cacciatore,

Stockholm 23/09/2008 05:39:20
Did the players from France, Ireland and Wales turn up? How many of the 50 were in fact present? Or is this classified information?
The RFU are reported to have paid £90 million to have extensive access to their players. Why did they pay this if the IRB would have given them access anyway (according to Hadden)?
Let´s have some serious journalism rather than SRU handouts.
4

Sun City,

23/09/2008 08:41:19
The snub has sparked a conflict that head coach Frank Hadden had hoped to avoid after recently embarking on a bridge-building tour of foreign clubs with Scotland players in their squads.

Good to see that FH's "bridge building" is a solid as his game plan.
Still I am sure that the SRU will initiate disciplinary action against the English/Welsh/French clubs as they are entitled to do under the IRB and that justice will prevail.
C'mon Gordon, you've organised kangaroo courts before in similar circumstances... lets see you do it again. Y
5

Mutt,

Paisley 23/09/2008 08:45:24
"Let´s have some serious journalism rather than SRU handouts."

Perhaps if you paid attention to the wider world rather than focussing on slagging off the SRU you'd know some of the history to this.

There has been a power struggle over player access in English rugby since RWC2003.

SWC stated the only way England could replicate that success was by having consistently better access to players. The clubs saw that succes having been built out of their efforts and wanted a slice of the pie.

For long enough the English clubs were as "sticky" with England on player release as they are now being with foreign players. Under IRB rules, GP clubs are no more obliged to release players to England than they are to any other nation. To this reason, they finally reached an agreed timetable of player release, *greatly* exceeding IRB requirements for which they would be paid rather handsomely.

An obvious knock on of this agreement (intended or otherwise) is that the PRL will now demand that member clubs stick rigidly to IRB regs for other nations - unless of course those nations reach a similar financial agreement.

Unfortunately there is absolutely heehaw the IRB can (or should?) do about this. The PRL as the umbrella body for GP clubs have not contravened any IRB regs as written (although they may have decimated the spirit of several!).

The only way for the SRU to ensure player access is to have them all playing at home - and the only way to have them playing at home is to have more teams - and the only way to have more teams..........?

Well ain't that one just been done to death, resurected and done to death again several times over!!
6

ExpatNI,

23/09/2008 08:59:43
Would agree with most comments above.

Let's just get on with what we have available. Apart from Alasdair Strokosch, none of the England based players featured heavily last season for Scotland. Even Jason White wasn't firing on all cylinders.

Mutt from Paisley is right though, we need all of these players playing in a third Scottish pro team. But don't blame the SRU for there not being one. In Scotland there just isn't the hunger to go out and watch rugby like there is in England Wales or Ireland. I would gladly go and watch Scottish pro rugby on a weekly basis but it is impossible when the only home game of the season is against Ulster at Ravenhill!
7

Fat one,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:51:02
Only Frank could call up every professional Scottish Rugby player, As the manager please tell me he has a rough idea what his top 20-30 players are, why 50?

I don't blame the English clubs, it is a tough and physical league with a high attrition rate, why should they keep handing their players over.
8

jerrymanders,

23/09/2008 12:21:14
#7

"their" players? So if you want to play for "your" Nation you have to ask their permission? And what about a call up for The Lions?
9

WA,

23/09/2008 13:36:15
This should not have came as a surprise to FH. It was obvious that this was going to happen.

FH just has to get on with it and stop moaning and remember the benefits that these players are getting by playing in the premiership playing at a high level. FH and the SRU should be grateful that these players are developing and at a far higher level week in week out that they could ever achieve in Scotland and at NO COST TO THE SRU!
10

Who?,

23/09/2008 16:23:32
When a player signs for an English, French etc club why don't they have it in their contract that selection permitting they must be released for international squads?

If such a clause were inserted at the outset of a players contract then the club v country stuff would be history. If the club refused the clause then the player has the option still to sign but knowing they are risking their international chances.

I do feel for the clubs as it is them who pay the salaries. Lets face it outside of pro sports i can't think of any other industries where an employee can take weeks of paid leave and work for another company.
11

THE DREADED SILVER CROC,

Lurking snappily around the Murrayfield tunnel 23/09/2008 16:28:40
Caught short, eh? Time for clean underwear, Frankie Baby!!! And possibly a few fresh (i.e. winning) ideas into practice. Don't be fooled by the Argies' underperformance in BA back in high summer.....
12

THE DREADED SILVER CROC,

Lurking around the CEO's office 23/09/2008 16:40:36
HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER CALLS THE TUNE.....

Come on McKie - show us a wad. A richt big wad at that, because ye'll need tae pay their employers tae get a haud o' yon wee pickle o' players frae doon sooth an a'place else!

And by the way, cobbers - these players only went away to better themselves in a proper sporting / business environment and thereby earn good money.

One last point. What is slippery former unshaven SRU grandee and double-glazing / mobile telephone purveyor Brian "Turncoat" Kennedy owner of Sale Sharks saying to it all? We ought to be told. Mind you - Kennedy is no more slippery than the rest of the shower of sh... (you know what) he left in the lurch at Murrayfield. Bulloch beware!!!!
13

Venachar,

24/09/2008 11:27:32
#9 WA

Wasps and Bath did not look that wonderfull so far this season. Bunch of fat boys playing bash it up the middle rugby. If you call that development then you are welcome to it.

The International windows and league seasons need to be clearly defined, to avoid such a mess.
Mr Hadden probably thought he was being smart calling in everyone he could think of but in the end it just made him look stupid.
There is no way the SRU can afford to pay for a similar system as the Guiness Premiership teams do for their English players. At the rate I've seen quoted if you have 40 Scots players playing down in England, enough for a Magners League squad then that would amount to £5.2 million - enough to run a third team!
As we are still £16 million or so in debt I don't think a third team will materialise particularly in the current financial situation.

 

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