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Cairns starts on Edinburgh return



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Published Date: 16 October 2008
WHILE Andy Robinson has resisted the temptation to ring the changes ahead of Saturday's Heineken Cup clash against Castres in the south of France, it is clear that the two alterations he has made to Edinburgh's starting XV reflect his frustration at the team's bitterly disappointing home defeat to Leinster last weekend.
Behind the scrum, Ben Cairns has been parachuted straight back into the side after eight weeks out with a knee ligament injury, in an effort to add some potency to the team's misfiring attack. "I thought it was important that we brought that cutting edge back into our backline, and he is an outstanding centre," explained the Edinburgh coach.

Meanwhile, in the pack, Matt Mustchin has been dropped from the squad completely as punishment for needlessly being sin-binned with fifteen minutes to go after tripping Leinster wing Rob Kearney. That incident happened just after Chris Paterson had slotted a penalty to pull Edinburgh to within eight points of their opponents. Craig Hamilton starts in his place.

"I was really disappointed with Matt being sin-binned at the weekend in that manner, so we felt it was the right call to leave him out for one match," said Robinson. "He's not a dirty player, but it was right for us to make a statement.

"If you trip somebody on the pitch the law actually states that you should be sent off, so Matt has accepted the punishment. He has apologised and I can't fault the way he has responded, but I think it is important that as a squad we do make a statement and we do have standards.

"We are lacking consistency in our performances, we are making silly errors, and we are being punished for that. We need everybody on the same wavelength, so while that was one isolated incident it is the sort of thing that can have an effect on the result, and in that last ten minutes it stopped us from putting any pressure on Leinster when we were still in the game."

Robinson had made little effort to disguise his fury on Saturday evening at the ease with which his charges had allowed Leinster to help themselves to four soft tries during an appalling 17 minute spell towards the end of the first half. Having had a few days to reflect, he was in a more philosophical frame of mind yesterday.

"It wasn't the same people making all the errors," said Robinson. "I thought the forwards stepped up to the plate last week and really took Leinster on, but it was because of the forwards that we lost the game because they are the guys who missed the tackles which enabled them to get behind us.

"For the rest of the game I thought we controlled them pretty well defensively and our shape was pretty good – we actually made more line-breaks than they did – and these are the sorts of things you have to consider when you think about making lots of changes. It is about getting consistency in performance and the only way we are going to do that is by guys being able to front up the next week and being able to eradicate the mistakes."

Cairns, who made his international debut against Argentina during the summer, has not played since tearing the medial ligament in his left knee during Edinburgh's pre-season friendly against Wasps in mid-August, but despite this lack of match practice he says he is ready to hit the ground running.

"I've been back in training with the guys since the end of last week and I have trained fully from Monday in some pretty physical sessions which have definitely tested the knee. It has been fine, so I'm feeling really confident and ready to go," he said.

His return to the fold comes at the expense of fellow internationalist Hugo Southwell, who has slotted in at outside centre during the last three weeks but has now dropped out of the squad completely. Robinson was keen to stress that his exclusion from the bench was due to John Houston's greater versatility.

"Hugo's attitude has been spot on," insisted Robinson. "He put his hand up to slot in at 13 when he could easily have said 'no' to playing out of position. He's given it his best shot, and it is unfortunate for him that he is going to miss out in this game, but he will soon be back again competing for his place in the team at full-back."

FACT BOX

EDINBURGH TEAM


15 Chris Paterson
14 Mark Robertson
13 Ben Cairns
12 Nick De Luca
11 Simon Webster
10 Phil Godman
9 Mike Blair (captain)
1 Allan Jacobsen
2 Ross Ford
3 Geoff Cross
4 Craig Hamilton
5 Jim Hamilton
6 Scott Newlands
7 Alan MacDonald
8 Allister Hogg

Substitutes: A Kelly, G Kerr, B Gissing, S Cross, G Laidlaw, D Blair, J Houston.

The full article contains 827 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 15 October 2008 11:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh rugby
 
1

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 16/10/2008 09:05:44
Having been at the Munster & Leinster games this season I would just like to add my tuppence worth to the Edinburgh situation.

Apart from Jim Hamilton & Chris Paterson, Andy R wasn’t able to strengthen the squad with proven quality, he was able to recruit a few youngsters & club players (who may turn out to be internationalists but are currently unproven @ a professional level.)

The squad really needed strengthened, if you look @ Leinster they have Elsom, Contepomi & Van der Linde, Munster have Howlett & Tipoki, Mafi we lack the financial resources to compete, it is laudable to have 21/22 scotsmen in your squad but this has failed.

Imagine the difference to Edinburgh if Phil Waugh, Chris Jack & Jean De Villiers could be recruited.

Murrayfield is fine for Scotland but a 72,000 capacity stadium with 5,000 in it is not conducive to creating a good atmosphere. A refurbished Meadowbank would STILL be the perfect answer.

Godman is not good enough, his busy bustling style makes him appear more effective than he actually is, his kicking is poor, he rarely makes a break & his lateral running makes it easier for defences & harder for his team-mates.

This e-mail was borne out of decades of frustration of being an Edinburgh fan.






2

MT,

16/10/2008 11:07:48
#1 that is a terrible idea, by bringing in foreigners you are denying an opportunity for Scots player to play for club and country. what if you brought in a player like Jean De villiers from SA? Where would he play? You would have to take out Deluca and thus deprive him of the chance to develop his game and continue his International career. With Cairns in the team again they will click, you have to give them a chance. They proved it last year by beating numerous high ranking teams
3

johnnyscotsman,

Newcastle via Linlithgow 16/10/2008 11:43:20
I do not agree with you, pretty much every year Edinburgh & Glasgow fail to make the 1/4 finals of the HC, as I have stated it is laudable to fill the team with Scots but what if those Scots are simply not good enough, would you continue with them to the detriment of the overall success of the team?

Continuous disapointment hardly attracts the fans too.

No other team country has so many home grown players in their teams/squads, I would still insist that 75% of the players were scottish.

Its been shown that despite having 71 players to chose from when Edinburgh lose 2 players - Rennie & Cairns they have to be replaced by an untried young guy & a full back, we have very few good / proven players to come in.

An injection of quality foreigner players can only be good for Edinburgh & Glasgow & scottish rugby in general.

Look what Todd Blackadder achieved & the period when the Leslie's, Metcalfe & Laney visited our shores

Re De Villiers - play him @ 12, he is brilliant & would create opportunities for De Luca & Cairns, perhaps play De Luca @ 15 or trade him with Kelly Brown so that both Edinburgh & Glasgow could benefit from De Villiers.

4

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 12:52:20
johnnyscotsman... you may be a supporter but you don't seem to get it? You are now suggesting trading one of our best players (De Luca) for Brown? When Brown is not as good as either Hogg or Callum? By having De Luca and Cairns in the same team we are grooming a Scotland partnership that has the opportunity to run for years.

Ideally there should be a 3rd pro-team for development (either Borders, Caledonia or London Scottish) and then a few well placed foreigners in areas of weakness. Players not wanting to play internationally any more who would be as much coach as player. We are actually all right in most areas, just lacking strength in depth and a bit of self belief - if we beat Castres and Connacht over the next 2 weeks we could get on a bit of a roll - and I think we will.

As for Meadowbank - it was awful - the facilities were 1970s and delapidated, the stand was further away from the pitch than Murrayfield. It was totally open to the elements on 3 sides. And with 5000 in there is a great athmosphere at Murrayfield - ask anyone who was at Leicester, Glasgow or Leinster games last year or the Wasps game previously. In every game I went to at Meadowbank the atmosphere was never as good (even when we beat Toulouse)
5

jbascotinengland,

16/10/2008 13:13:47
#4 - Meadowbank certainly isn't the answer but it must be costing a fortune to run an empty Murrayfield for Edinburgh games. What is needed is a purpose built stadium but with no funds that is never going to happen.

Perhaps a season at a club ground would be an idea to see if that improves atmosphere and supporter numbers.

As for bringing in foreign talent, there's no funds for that. Blackadder was awesome for Edinburgh to the extent where when he left the pitch the team fell apart. Perhaps if we do manage to bring in some foreign talent the coaches will try and stop the players relying on them quite so much!

I think that everyone except the SRU realise that the best way forward is for the SRU to relax control of pro rugby, sell Edinburgh and Glasgow and use the funds to restart the Borders and Caledonia teams. I don't think the London Scottish idea is good though.
6

jbascotinengland,

16/10/2008 13:18:02
The other point I meant to make was, was it a good idea for Edinburgh to sign Jim Hamilton and Patterson?

Hamilton has never been that good in the games I've seen for Scotland and the Edinburgh 2nd rows last year were really good.

As for Patterson, has he past his best? Other than his kicking is he still a benefit to the team and likely to get picked for Scotland? Were the young players who played last year not getting more game time and therefore better development with out him?
7

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 14:53:03
This season (since returning from injury) Hamilton has been pretty good. He never got game time for Leicester so never improved - should never have been picked for Scotland. With fregular game time he could be very good. Already shown he has good hands. With Paterson, he is showing that he has more to offer than a kick from FB, he has a bit of space and is not being turnedover as much as he used to on the wing.

Re club grounds, in principal yes, but there are none big enough. Edinburgh have had over 5000 in 3/4 games this season - no ground in Edinburgh can take that (and that is before you kick teams out of Stew Mel, Myreside and Goldenacre when schools athletics comes around).
8

johnnyscotsman,

16/10/2008 15:03:18
JonnyS,

The point I was making is that Edinburgh come up short every year & we need to strenghen our squad, De Luca (& Cairns) are a very fine players indeed but I think a Cairns / De Luca partnership lacks the necessary "beef" to really prosper @ international level just now.

I made the example of De Villiers, a world class centre, joining Edinburgh as the sort of quality Edinburgh require. Actually you have agreed with my point
"We are actually all right in most areas, just lacking strength in depth"

A 3rd team would be superb but it would need to be financed properly.

I admire your positivity & agree we could get on a roll with a couple of victories but it is likely (without winning all our remaining games) we are out of the Heineken Cup, this is dreadfully disapointing & simply proves my point of the necessity of recruiting quality.

I do not agree with your point re Meadowbank, I have been @ most of the games you mentioned @ Murrayfield & the Meadowbank one & without question the Toulouse game had the best atmosphere (a Brendan laney inspired Edinburgh with Paterson @ 10), a REFURBISHED Meadowbank would be a perfect setting for profession rugby in Edinburgh (maybe move the pitch nearer the main stand)

9

Tobias Smyth,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:11:40
Better for 24 Scots, with 6 top international foreigners, receiving a huge boost to their confidence and playing in the latter stages of the H Cup every year than getting regularly beaten in the group stages every year.

Fact.
10

JonnyS,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 16:27:23
We would be better off pushing for the Sighthill stadium muted recently, or push for the New Highland Showground having a rugby stadium (as with the Royal Dublin Showground).

With regards to beef in the centre, I would have to disagree, the days onf the bash it up the middle and throw to a small outside centre is very very limited and easy to plan for - see Dewey at Ulster (2nd season syndrome). In terms of lacking strength in depth, bringing in a world class player in a position where we have a potentially world class player who is playing well doesn't seem to be a good way forward. It would mean De Luca not getting regular game time, however much he may learn off the field. World class stand off (since we are not going to see Mossy there) or Winger or prop (all players spoke very highly of Dave Hewatts time at the club)

Edinburgh came up short last year (4th - should have been 3rd but for Glasgows poor defence) and won 2/3 home HEC games - should have beaten Toulouse but didn't believe until the end. We still have opportunity to better last season, it is not too late yet (but close).

Agree to disagree on the Toulouse game, I believe the Wasps atmosphere was better, and teh Leicester game last year - the crowd seem to enjoy a win over teh auld enemy more, IMHO!
11

Who?,

17/10/2008 09:28:50
I think that its an excellent idea to augment scottish talent with really good players from abroad. In every other sport this happens with the most successful teams having a nucleous of homegrown players mixing with foreginers. The scottish teams will be provided a new insight and possibly a new dynamic by working with people who have experienced a different environment. There is too much rubbish spouted by people who think that the two pro teams should only have scottish qualified players. The team are not a nursery they are there to make money and achieve success.

The problems in scottish rugby go back to the early 90's when the districts were chosen over the clubs to drive the game forward. The SRU is basically bankrupt and would be best to set up 4-6 pro franchises that could be run by capable people. Having more teams will spead the scottish talent base allowing the recruitment of foreginers without depriving scottish players of a genuine opportunity.


 

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