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Thomson sure Rangers will produce goods in Kaunas



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Published Date: 31 July 2008
RANGERS midfielder Kevin Thomson is confident of progress in their Champions League qualifier against FBK Kaunas despite the goalless draw in the first leg at Ibrox last night.
The Light Blues missed several chances during an anxious and unconvincing 90 minutes with strikers Kenny Miller and Jean-Claude Darcheville the biggest culprits, both spurning first-half sitters. Last season's UEFA Cup finalists need to score in Kaun
as next Tuesday – unless they fancy their chances in a penalty shoot-out – but Thomson, who passed a late fitness test on a knee injury to play, is not ready to press the panic button.

"From what we saw in this game, I am sure we can improve and go to Lithuania and score an away goal," he said.

"I suppose they played the way we did last year. They sat in and made it difficult and we didn't have that bit of flair and cutting edge in front of goal, which was a wee bit disappointing.

"The onus is going to be on them. It's always difficult being the team playing at home, when you have to dictate and try to score. Over there, we can try to employ the same tactics as last year, sit a wee bit tighter and try to use our pace up front to score on the counter-attack.

"We had a lot of possession in the second half, but we just lacked that little bit of inspiration and magic to get a goal. I'm sure that will come, though, because this is just our first competitive game. We will go there with confidence and we're confident we can score. They are well into their season, we've now seen them and feel as though they won't have much more to come. It's our first game and I'm sure we are going to get better. If we score over there, I am sure we will get through."

Gers boss Walter Smith is confident Rangers can secure the win they need in Kaunas.

However, he warned against taking success in next week's second leg in Lithuania for granted.

"If we can get ourselves in front we can be confident but it will be an awkward one," said Smith.

"We have that confidence, there is no doubt. But I need to point out that because we had that success last season, it doesn't mean it will happen this season.

"We need to be wary of that aspect. We just need to put in a performance that matches that confidence.

"I feel as though we are capable of winning the game but I don't like to keep looking back at last season, that's finished, and we should look forward now."





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1

Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 11:45:13
Im starting to get SERIOUSLY worried.

What go's through a manager's mind to play a midfield four of Adam Thomson Dailly McCulloch?

Why spend 7m on strikers when any Rangers could tell you this midfield would struggle in the SPL, let alone Europe?

Why spend the bulk of the transfer fee on Lafferty and leave him on the bench when we are struggling?

Why consistently talk up our youngsters then play Dailly instead? I know it would be a risk playin younsters but what do you call playing a midfield with so little creativity in one of biggest games? If Furman cant do a better job in midfield than Dailly just now then he will NEVER be good enough.

The plus point is we didnt lose a goal and get an extra week of preperation for the next leg.

I still reckon with a couple of decent midfielders we have a good team but make no mistake, if we get through and get A Madrid or Galatasary and play them with THAT team we aint going through to the group stages.
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Super Ally WATP,

ibrox 31/07/2008 11:58:18
agreed.

I wasent at the game, and im not going to make excuses, but id fully expect next week to go with miller and a better finisher.

I am confident we wont concede goals to Kaunas, but im also confident we can get goals too on the assumption we dont play darcheville.

Still leaves questions to be answered though. Our midfield needs money spent on it, and now.
3

paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 12:08:35
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I thought the 2nd leg was next week?
4

paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 12:12:45
All joking aside....

I watched Sky this morning.....who commented on the treatment dished out to Kenny Miller?

They actually showed a clip of the team being read out over the tannoy.....it got to Kenny Miller.....and a chorus of boooooos were clearly audible?

We might come on these threads to poke some fun at his lack of goals etc....but some of the Rangers fans really need to grow up!
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 12:16:57
I did suggest the other day on a thread....that last season might have been a peak for Rangers....and that this season might be a struggle for them.....

I can't see Minty releasing cash before the return leg....in case it all goes pear shaped!
6

BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 12:29:28
A poor performance, and even the excuse of it being our first competitive match of the season while Kaunas are halfway through theirs can only go so far. They are the level of team that we really should be beating by a couple of goals at home.

Walter has a real test ahead of him this season. He came in last year and did for Rangers what he had previously done for Scotland, ie, taken over from a foreigner who had made us a laughing stock, and made us much more organised, tough and difficult to beat. But now the fans are rightly demanding a bit more flair, skill and adventure.

I personally think that we'll get through this tie. The amount of clean sheets we kept away from home last season in Europe and against better opposition brings confidence, although the absence of Cuellar and Ferguson obviously impacts on our effectiveness. There is certainly a need to bring in a couple more players to minimise the effect of these absentees, however, and it is good to see that the proposed Loovens/Cousin swap seems to be gathering a little pace. Etuhu should also now be available, with Sunderland having bought two midfielders in from Spurs.

I don't think that the possibility of being kicked out of Europe at the first time of asking is necessarily the financial calamity that an all-too-predictable poster suggested last night. Last season's CL money alone would have constituted a successful financial campaign, ditto last season's UEFA Cup money, ditto the Hutton transfer fee. So getting all of those things at one time could certainly tide us over this season.

After the Euro-marathon of last season created what I felt was an uneven race in the SPL, it would in some ways be nice to have free midweeks and be able to concentrate on the title race, but money talks, and RFC really need to be in the UEFA group stage as a minimum, and preferably the CL.

"And forward, though I canna see, I guess...and fear."
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 12:42:17
Granted a 0-0 home result last season didn't prove to be the disaster some thought it would....

However....it can't continue as before....at some point it will be your downfall....

The difference going into the away leg this year round....is that you will be missing at least 2 of your main characters in the shape of Bazza and Cueller...that could be the difference this time...

I agree....Rangers should expect to win their home game by 2-3 goals against a team of the Kaunus level..

The fact they didn't...does not surprise me...in fact the away leg might turn out to be a tougher ask than expected!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 12:48:17
paulmac

The away leg will be a VERY tough ask.

If anyone is suggesting otherwise, then they are fooling themselves.

PS Cuellar is not yet certain to miss the second leg, and Kenny Miller actually received applause when he went off last night.
9

Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 12:57:52
#4 Paulmac

BE at #8 beat me to it.
10

Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 13:00:16
#5 Paulmac

It wouldnt matter if he did spend money before the return leg - players would not be eligible.

As iv stated 1 or two decent midfielders and we've got not a bad side.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 13:09:17
#6 BE

What team would you go for in the return leg?

I would give Lafferty a go on the wing to add a bit of direction and pace to the midfield.

The midfield last night was surely THE slowest in European history.

I would go with:

McGregor
Whittaker Broadfoot Weir/Cuellar Papac
McCulloch Thomson Hemdani Lafferty
Miller Boyd/Velikca

with Miller dropping back to make it a 4-5-1 when needed.

I would actually be tempted to give Furman or Fleck a run but we all know there is no chance of Smith doing that.

Im really pi$$ed off we have been left in this position with regards to the midfield. It borders on negligence.
12

Will1875,

31/07/2008 13:12:23
Walter Smith is not as good a manager as people make out, as proven when he played with the big boys in the premiership.

He lost the 2 big trophies last season and won the 2 diddy cups. Looks like he might have no budget when they crash out of Europe next week. He will then be as big a flop as PLG.
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31/07/2008 13:18:45
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 13:22:34
#12

I'm a big critic of Walter on here. I think that RFC need something more than he is able to give. But I won't stand by and let you spout nonsense.

Walter brought stability to Everton when he was a Premiership manager. I think that they climbed one place in each of his first 3 seasons there, and he didn't have a big budget compared to many other clubs that he was competing with.

Last season he won 2 cups, took the SPL to the last day, and took Rangers to their first European Final in 36 years. To describe him, against that backdrop as being as big a flop as PLG beggars belief, quite frankly.
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2Pasquenade ,

31/07/2008 13:23:52
The best advice for Walter would be to flog Boyd to Cardiff and stick the money on Champions Celtic to make it 4 in a row.

Seriously.... deary, deary, me, the rearrangerz are in a helluva tricky spot. They are facing elimination from Europe by Hertz reserves , and they've already been complaining about the spl fixture list.

Walter's found that the cupboard is bare after blowing his tank on three new strikers none of whom are an improvement on what was already there.

Fulham have 'no further interest' in Cousin, and two-€rses has been sooking up the rearrangerz hordes in the media recently, hoping that by appealing to their base mentality Walter might think twice about forcing him out the door.

Boydie doesn't fancy life in Cardiff thank you very much, and it will be nearly Xmas before Bazza comes back into contention.

Rearrangerz carried a lot of luck last season , and in some cases , more than luck ( Clark and McURRY), and it could be that this season things are going to balance out, and there's a very big pay-back due for all the 'luck' they got last season.
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31/07/2008 13:38:34
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 13:39:25
#15 2pasq..

I find it incredible that after the numerous favouritable decisions that went Celtc way last season you lot STILL complain.

How can you judge players who havnt yet played?

We are in dire need of midfield backup up but lets not kid on that all of a sudden Celtc are such a great side. Rochdale reject aside you are so far the same team that came within a whisker of having a DISASTEROUS season last year.
Football is a game of fine lines. You had the fortune last year. This year it may not go the same way.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 13:40:44
Jj

We can speculate all we want with regard to next week's starting XI, but you can bet your boots that Walter will play it safe and put out an experienced 4-5-1 line-up that will be designed to give nothing away.

I just saw a 16 year-old scoring for Arsenal against Stuttgart in Germany, and apparently he's now scored 3 in 2 games. Fleck is only days away from his 17th birthday, but we'll still be frustrated at how little we see of him this season, because that is the safety-first nature of WS.

I'd love to see him get a run. A fantastic prospect.
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&Larrsonfixestheradio,

31/07/2008 13:53:22
Rangers have a better away record in Europe than they do in the SPL this calendar year. What´s the point in having all that money when you can´t afford to buy Davis. Not getting by Kaunas will mean a loss of circa 15m. It therefore made sense to acquire Davis. You know what you are getting and he proved his worth last season. The fact that Fulham dropped their asking price to 2.5m and Rangers still said no shows you that players have to leave before players are brought in.If you dont get into Europe then maybe some player will move on. Those that have not been cup tied yet or are willing to move to a club not competing in Europe. If Loovens comes in for boyd. I would expect Loovens to the replacement for Cuellar if you fail to qualify for Europe, as that would partially cover that loss. Walter Smith has never played free flowing football even when his budget dwarfed their city rivals. He was fired before because he couldn´t do it in Europe and I wouldn´t expect a massive change in the way Rangers play football anytime soon. He was wrong about Kenny Miller as was demonstrated again last night and his team selections seem to be wayward.

The last time we narrowly lost the league we then got dicked out by Artmedia. We then went on to win the league and have been champions ever since. That´s what you should be aiming at. Dont forget what happened to Celtic in 1967 after we won the EC. We got dicked out in the first round for the 68 campaign.

Rangers should stop chasing money , forget the domestic cups and concentrate on just winning back the SPL especially if they dont qualify. That´s where GS got an advantage over Eck. They dont have enough resources to fight on all four fronts and I would imagine that Walter Smith knows that. The problem is that Rangers need money. Hence the poor mouthing after earning 30m quid and hence why no diddy tournaments are sacrificed. Bad management. Running players into the ground in an attempt to raise cash via TV and home matches.
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31/07/2008 13:54:01
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 13:59:04
#19 Larsson


Good post mate. From a gers fan.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 14:01:31
#18 BE

I am begining to foresee a frustrating season all round. Hopefully im wrong..

We hear this "safety first " phrase all the time but i just dont see whats "safe" about putting out a team that wont create any chances.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 14:03:29
#19

Fulham have actually dropped the Davis asking price to around £3.5 million, not £2.5 million.

Rangers losing to Kaunas (Which I don't think will happen) will only lose them a guarantee of UEFA Cup football, so your £15 million statement is somewhat hyperbolic.

Loovens, if he comes in, will, I think, end up partnering Cuellar, although I take your point that Carlos could conceivably be sold next summer if RFC haven't earned well from Europe this season.

PS I doubt that the last day of July is a fair time to talk about any new signings as "mistakes". Give the guy a chance. I still reckon that KM will do a decent job.
24

2Pasquenade ,

31/07/2008 14:06:14
The poor attendance figure for last night's match was noteable.

As all rearrangerz fans know, CL qualification is vital for them this year. Minty's broke and unless more money comes in, there's nae mair goin' oot.

Without CL money, Walter faces the prospect of flogging Boyd before he can bring anyone else in i.e. the only striker on rearrangers' books that anyone is interested in signing.

Elimination in Kaunas is unthinkable for rearrangerz. Champions Celtic will surge further ahead and come next summer, Celtic will be in a stronger position than rearrangers to strengthen an already stronger squad....if rearrangerz go out in Kaunas, it really could be the beginning of the end for their position as Scotland's no.2 club.
25

Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 14:06:30
#19 Larsson

Cont...

I dont think you could accuse Smith's Nie in a row team of playing stifling football mate. If anything we were too gung ho with players like Laudrup etc and were punished by more streetwise sides.

I also dont think last night proved anything re Miller, if anything he was was our best player alongside Thomson (it wasnt hard i know!).

I would be prepared to lose the league this season to bring through the likes of Fleck, Shinnie,Furman and Lennon. They just cant possibly do any worse than cloggers like McCulloch and Dailly.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 14:15:33
Rangers should sell Boyd and Cousin anyway. They've signed three new strikers, given Novo a new contract, and Darchville has no transfer value, so it makes perfect sense

As Martin Bain said yesterday, more players will come and go before the close of the transfer window. Regardless of the Kaunas outcome, a couple of shrewd signings could swing the title race, because Celtic haven't strengthened, and if our punishing fixture list hadn't caught up with us in the latter stages of last season, I'm convinced we would be champions.

The destination of this season's SPL title is very much up in the air.
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31/07/2008 14:21:10
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 14:29:42
Wattie will send the team out next week to play the tried and tested 4-5-1....

Why would he do anything else?

Depending on the personel at his disposal....it's what gathered results away last season....

The difference from last season was....you won't have Bazza and possibly Cueller and teams believed they were far better than Rangers...and that their talent would ultimately see them through....

Kaunus know they are still the underdog and know they don't have the overall talent.....so I don't expect them to come at you all guns blazing....

They will do exactly the same as Rangers....try and suffocate the game....

I reckon they would be happy to go to extra time and penalties....after all....they've never been past this round!
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 14:34:12
I was surprised Minty refused any TV coverage?

Can you imagine the attendance if there had been TV coverage?
30

NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 14:35:01
You will have to win the game or Cuellar will be punted off to Newcastle. You heard it here first.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 14:36:57
#31

No, we didn't.

We've been hearing it from Celtic fans on here throughout the summer.

Doesn't make it true, though. Wishful thinking, maybe...
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 14:37:00
#27 MJ

The only thing sad is your goodself mate.

Have you no opinions on Celtc? You know, that mob from the East End that you claim to support..
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 14:37:09
#29

Is that the best garnished opinion you can muster?

By how many goals?
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 14:39:28
When do Rangers play Liverpool?
35

Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 14:40:30
#35 paulmac

Saturday mate
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Royalty,

Zandvoort 31/07/2008 14:40:33
I'd give Miller pass marks last night despite his misses.

There were a few jeers when his name was called out but he was applauded for his efforts when he left the pitch.

Fans have every right to boo a player, its called fredom of speech.

I personally dont boo any player in a Rangers shirt but
others may do so if they feel so inclined.

Talking of the pitch, it looks in superb condition.

Things will need to improve on it however & im sure they will.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 14:41:03
3pm Saturday.
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31/07/2008 14:43:01
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 14:44:49
I suppose the question is.....what players will Wattie risk on Saturday.....

I can see Liverpool putting out a fairly strong and close to it's first team squad.
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&Larrsonfixestheradio,

31/07/2008 14:45:50
BE.

BE if Rangers dont get into the CL they will lose a guaranteed 10m. Look and see how much Everton earned from the Uefa cup last year and if you dont get passed Kaunus then you dont get into the UC - a financial disaster. I suggest you follow Celtic finances on their web site since Artmedia to see the effect that has. Thats when DD had to plough in an extra 5m. I dont think that Murray would be prepared to do that at this stage. I think that Davis is worth more than Kyle Lafferty and has proven it in his career so far. He was sold 2 years ago for 4.5 m. The whole thing sticks as far as I am concerned.

I also dont think that Rangers will go out but it will not be a formality and I got 20 quid on it going to penalties.

I hope that Rangers go through as we need the coefficient points. Our game against Spartak last year was not good for the heart. Without Rangers coefficient we would be playing the last qualifying round.
While Walters 9inarow team was pretty gung ho. The defence rarely crossed the half way line. They didn´t need too.

I believe that Murray gas ran his time at Ibrox and has to go. He just cant afford to bail out at this juncture he will eventually but the face saving project has been going on since Walter arrived and it is continuing. Rangers were not lucky to be in the UC final they deserved it but it was such a boorish way of playing football that it never won over many neutrals as the mantra is to stay in tournaments as long as possible picking up money.

While I have no great love for Rangers their fans deserve to be treated better than that. Many of whom I consider to be my friends as well as my enemies.

Hail Hail and good luck against Kaunus
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&Larrsonfixestheradio,

31/07/2008 14:48:59
Oh and I wish Kenny Miller well I just dont think that Walter will manage to improve his first touch. He´s too old - Kenny Miller that is. Kenny Miller has to be the legs for Boyd or Velicka - thats the way I see it but I reckon Miller too greedy to play that role
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 14:49:22
37

I've never believed it correct to boo a player for his performance....it can only make his performance worse if anything!

But to boo Kenny when his name was read out over the tanoy was just absolute nonsense....

Kenny's work rate is unquestionable.....it's his touch and goals that let him down more often than not.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 14:56:42
I'm amongst the first to criticise RFC's style of football under WS, but I don't think that you can knock the actual achievements of last season when juxtaposed with the two that preceded it.

Walter has probably bought about £20 million of new players since he returned, but when you take into account the money for Hutton and the others who have left, his net expenditure is probably only about one-third of that.

Regarding the SPL, I don't buy this Celtic line that CFC can't possibly be as bad again next season, which I've seen a few times on here. If I'm not mistaken, they actually finished with more points last season than they did the previous one.

Likewise, I think that RFC can be more effective this season. Many players were settling in last season, while others were out injured. I think that Whittaker, Webster, Smith, Thomson, McCulloch and Beasley can all produce more this time out. Add McGregor, Cuellar and Ferguson (when he returns) to that, throw in at least one, and maybe two, new signings, and find the best partnership up front, and I reckon we can be even more effective at points-gathering than last season.

But only time will tell.
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NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 15:01:21
You say they can be more effective but there's no one you mentioned in your post capable of opening up a team that just wants to sit and defend. That's why you lost the league. When you had to go away from home and seal a win it just didn't happen.

Blame tiredness all you want but your squad should have enough quality to rotate players and beat most SPL teams away from home.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:10:21
#46

Disagree with you, unsurprisingly.

Beasley, Miller and Darchville all have pace to burn and will punish any defence that plays a high line and tries to spring the offside trap, as many do. There may also be someone else coming in that we don't know about yet.

We did actually have the second best away record in the SPL last season, just as Celtic had the second best home record, but I agree that it has to improve.
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 15:13:01
The one plus from last night was not conceding an away goal.

Watched some of the highlights on Rangers World and there were some chances that should have been put away.

Having not seen the entire match it is difficult to comment on how RFC played, but reading from some of the posts from our rivals RFC were not to impressive, I only wish they had posted the link for all of us to see the match.

To spend the money on Velicka and Lafferty and leave them(Velicka) on the touchline until very later surprised me.

Agree with some of the posters that some of the young lads must be given a shot in these games at some point.

Enthusiasm and skill sometimes can give bigger rewards than older more experienced slower players.

One goal should see us through next week, but new faces are needed to freshen things up for the SPL season.
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NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 15:14:31
#47 Beasley, Darch abd Miller? Who is supplying the pass for them to run onto? Your midfielders have no guile.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:20:06
Who is supplying the pass for them to run onto?

Hemdani, Thomson and Ferguson all distribute the ball intelligently and can pick a pass. I have particularly happy memories of Barry's defence splitting diagonal pass that undid the Celtic defence and allowed Thommo to execute a perfect 1-2 with JCD and score a high quality OF winner.
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NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 15:22:04
Barry is injured. Hemdani is even worse for passing the ball sideways and Thompson will be suspended for half the games if he picks up as many stupid bookings. It's surely worrying times in Govan?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:23:56
#52

Thomson is the one that we signed.

You're surely thinking about Scott Brown :)
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:25:19
"It's surely worrying times in Govan?"

Not sure mate. I'm in Reading, Berks.
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NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 15:25:27
Nah mate. Keep clutching at straws though.
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 15:25:55
Bemused

The one thing we seem to lacking and I have been posting about it since the end of last season is a genuine lack of quality to help BF in midfield.

If WS can bring in a couple of good midfield players then the fight for the SPL title should be fairly balanced this season, if RFC persist on going with what we have, with BF, missing the first 1/3 of the season it could be a long season.

WS did a terrific job last season with our squad limitations, and I am sure he knows what signings will improve the side this year.

I just hope the puppet Bain and SDM will release the funds necessary to give WS the players he knows that are needed.
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NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 15:26:48
#54 Nae luck.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 15:27:22
Hi guys, I just want to remind everyone of what i have been saying since way last season,

1 No matter what any Bear thinks, it is ANTI-FOOTBALL.
2 No matter how much we love Walter, Hes lost the plot and is making silly excuses for everything.
3 No matter how much we rate Barry Backwards, WE AS A CLUB have NO MIDFIELD AT ALL.The heart beat of any team and we put a 34 yo centre back there(Dailly)just plain WRONG, we put 2.2m McCulloch in midfield, WRONG, he shouldnt even be at Ibrox and Charlie Adam, please someone tell me why this boy keeps getting a game?, im not exagerating when i say i personnally have more football in my brains and skill than any player at Ibrox, the lack of quality is frightening, its a pity i am so lazy.
4 Cousin and Darche have to go, ive been saying since the first 20 mins i watched Darche, hes NOT a striker.Cousin is an imposter like Dailly, Lee M and Adam.
5 Kenny Miller, is that 6 games NO goals?
6 We were robbed for our best player, Hutton, that was a disgrace, the boy didnt want to go.
7 SDM doesnt have the heart for the fight with Celt*c.
8 Martin Bain knows NOTHING about football, why is he there? Did he not sanction the contracts for Mo Ross, Ostenstad, Capucho, Emerson, Dailly, Adam, N.Alexander, etc etc?...unbelievable,i would like my C.E. to have a vision like Mr Liewell on the dark side, take us beyond Scotland, branding etc etc.
9 We were so lucky it wasnt on TV, can yo imagine people watching Charlie and Christian TRYING to run? Its embarrassing, as a team we need 3 classy midfielders and 1 classy centre half.As a squad we need more quality, more young Scots, the young boy Furman will NEVER make it, no matter how much ye rate him, i dont btw, he will never make it at Ibrox, he is too small and takes all his energy to run across the pitch.
10 How long will it be before we sell Fleck on the cheap????Coz it will happen.
11 Walter is a negative manager, a cautious manager, not good enough this time round, Ally is NO
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NemesisofWilliam,

31/07/2008 15:28:11
that was my point Daillyman but some folks only see through blue tinted glasses.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 15:29:08
58 CONT.... ALLY IS NO REPLACEMENT, HE HAS SAT BACK AND WATCHED THIS AND NOT SAID ANYTHING, HE CAN GO WITH WALTER WHEN THEY DO SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, AND TAKE ADAM, DAILLY, MCCULLOCH, DARCHE, AND COUSIN WITH YE.
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2Pasquenade ,

31/07/2008 15:29:37
First to score in Kaunas wins the tie me thinks.

Things are different for rearranggerz this time around.
Last year, Walter had turned things around following PLG's sacking, beaten Champions Celtic twice and took second place with ease even though that had seemed unlikely enough at the turn of the year.

So last year, rearrangers began their campaign with an air of confidence and belief.

'S' no' the same this year. Beaten in the league, beaten in uefa and several key players out injured and the team hasn't been strengthened in areas where it should have been.
Belief is everything in football, and the deserved optimism with which rearrangerz entered the fray last year has been replaced with fear and trepidation...that's why Kaunas are quietly confident and that's why they might get the result that they need.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:29:40
Brian

Two midfielders are a priority, IMO, and I would pursue them rather than worry about Loovens, personally.

Davis and Etuhu would cost around £5.5 million, almost all of which could be raised, if necessary, from the sale of Boyd and Cousin.

I'd go for it if I was Walter.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 15:30:37
#56 Daillyman

Surely though Smith knew, as did all of us, that the midfield should have been priority? If, and i dont we will, we go out to Kaunas the blame lies squarely at Smiths feet for spending the available budget on strikers (then not even playing them).

IMO no matter what there is NO excuse for playing Dailly in a midfield 4.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 15:31:01
#63

* dont think
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 15:35:05
#63 EXACTLY HES NOT EVEN A GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER, HE SHOULDNT BE HERE.
IM SO SICK, MClEISH ENDED UP FORCING ME TO DISLIKE HIM, IM GETTING THE SAME WITH WALTER, HE LOOKS LOST.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:39:15
Welcome to Patworld, where winning no cups, only making the last 16 of the UEFA and finishing a distant second in the SPL allows you to go into the next season with "an air of confidence and belief"...

While winning two cups, making the UEFA Cup Final and narrowly failing to win the SPL only brings fear and trepidation for the following campaign.

Aye, right.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 15:42:41
#66 BE

Patworld?
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 15:42:55
JJ

What budget? Did WS get.

We all know there is operating/overhead costs at any club, and the operating budget for this season would have been drawn well before the summer.

As other posters have mentioned, the run in Europe pulled in approx 12mil, Hutton fee 9mil, and gate receipts from 8/9 home European ties last season plus sundry money pulled in for concessions.

Yet Bain and SDM tie WS hands by allowing him to spend on 6.8mil so far this summer.

Bain publically said more money will be spent to bring players in before the window closes, if things do not go well next week then the blame falls on Bain/SDM shoulders for handcuffing WS on who he could bring in.

Again the question that we should be asking Bain where did the money go? as stated we did not expect all of it to be used in the transfer market, but at least 10-12mil out of the money generated from last season would have seemed fair being spent on new players.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 15:45:31
#66 we are rotten, you live abroad? you are lucky, people are actually paying £20 a head to watch that, its no real.We shouldnt haver sold Hutton, we shouldnt have given Adam a new contract, we shouldnt have signed Cousin, we shoudnt have signed Beasley,Dailly or MCCulloch, we SHOULD have signed Shittu, Palladino, Alan Smith, Maloney, Barry Robson, Riordan....the list goes on...we have let other teams sign better players than Walter has actually brung to our club, im so angry.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 15:47:08
#68 aye but what if they sign more players like Adams, Dailly and McCullochs, where will that leave us?, fighting to make top six, coz we wont win away from home with they players! thats a guarantee.
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2Pasquenade ,

31/07/2008 15:48:23
68

I reckon the fact that minty has been so cagey about the extent of rearrangers' indebtedness might answer your question about where the money went.

But Walter can't avoid criticism. He would have been told what his budget was and it was for him to prioritise the needs of the squad and spend accordingly.

Walter went out and blew what appears to be the lot on three strikers none of whom offer anything that wasn't already there....Walter's decision to buy those three strikers grows more bizarre in appearance each passing day almost to the point that questions might be raised about his mental health.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:50:51
Brian

I think we need to be realistic with finances, although, like any other fan, I'd like to see more spent on the playing staff.

Over £11 million direct payment from UEFA last season. Nine home ties equates to around 400,000 customers paying £20 a time, which is another £8 million. TV rights for the home UEFA Cup matches adds another few million, and there should be a JJB bonus for the excess merchandise sold prior to the UEFA Final.

Maybe around £25 million all told. But that is income, NOT profit. The actual profit may only be around half of that, but when you add it to the Hutton money, it still adds up to a season profit of around £20 million.

However, SDM speculatively gave WS £10 million to spend last summer, taking club debts to £26 million, and he has already spent another £6.5 million this summer.

I think that SDM will finance another signing now, and probably another if we were to make the CL, but that's about as far as it goes.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 15:54:17
#71 there ye go, i didnt want to say it, i knew one of them would, why is no-one questioning his decisions? signings? questioning ANYTHING he does? The 6m is NOT his budget, i know that, we didnt want to bring in our best signings yet coz that would give Celt*c time to find a better player, they have time and money, they also didnt want to buy the big names yet INCASE we didnt make the Champs League, its as simple as that, if we do MIRACULOUSLY make teh Champs League i expect fully another 6 or 7 million on players, if we DONT then wee CHesney can look at that game last night and that is the team who is battling for teh championship with them, they dont need to strengthen!Words cant say how sick i am, so angry STILL.
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 15:55:56
71

Not every manager strikes gold when signing new players, Graveson, Deeks, Donutti, Killen etc are a testament to that as you well know.

WS brought back a bit of stability to a demoralised squad that he inherited form PLG.

He ended up signing veteran players who he trusted and we won the cup double last season. Not great football, but some results and silverware for the support.

I for one will wait to see what happens this season before jumping on the bandwagon to have WS removed as boss.

I think we are only a couple of players away from having a team capable of winning the SPL, in what is always a 2 horse race. And we have injured players with some skill to return to the squad. Early days yet.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 15:56:57
The bottom line is this. SDM has allowed Walter to spend around £20 million in 18 months on new players. I happen to think that this is a decent sum of money. It's Walter's own fault if he's chosen to spend it on myriad average players rather than, for argument's sake, buying 5 players at around £4 million each, which, on top of the squad he inherited, should have produced a very good team.
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 15:59:43
Chaz.......yer flying son....keep it gawin!
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:00:29
#72 not interested in your excuses, you sound like Walter, we have highest merchandising sales in Scotland(or we did have till we sold our shops and sacked hundreds of staff!), 50000 every second week, some tv money, all our side companies, selling off best talent, european money, we have loads a cash, we just DONT know where its all going, well i do, SDM pocket, hes choking to sell up and doesnt want to release big funds maybe.Bemused Exile, you are a Rangers fan with no ambition, you are ALWAYS defending the finances at Ibrox, youare obsessed with our debt and figures, im not too good with numbers but here are a few, the 10m he gave him shouldnt have added to debt, we were told the debt was finished with!!! YES WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS ABOUT 2.6m IN DEBT AT IBROX AND THAT WOULD BE CLEARED IN A FEW MONTHS, THAT WAS LAST YEAR! Dont we get a budget every year anyway???? The old firm should be able to spend at least 10m every season without hurting anything, thats not including sales of players, thats just ambtion to be the best.
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 16:00:42
75

I did not realise he had spent that much in 18 months.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:01:30
#77 CHEERS BUD, IM PURE RAGING MAN!!!
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:04:07
#74 ITS A 2 HORSE MARATHON, BUT A 4 HORSE SPRINT AT THE START, DUNDEE UTD AND MOTHERWELL BOTH HAVE MANAGERS WHO HAVE THE BEATING OF WALTER TACTICALLY AND ATTACKING WISE.IM WORRIED ABOUT TYNEY, PITTODRIE, FIR PARK AND PARKHEED!!! THERE YE GO, WE COULDNT DO IT LAST YEAR, WE HAVE GOT WORSE, WHAT MAKES US THINK WE WILL DO IT THIS SEASON, I CANT SEE IT.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

31/07/2008 16:04:51
#74 Daillyman

Despite my pessimism i agree that there is plenty time left and i also agree that we are only a couple of players away from having a decent team.

My main gripe is Dailly in a midfield 4. I just cant get over that.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 16:06:01
Brian

From memory...

Thomson £2 million

Whittaker £2 million

Cuellar £2.3 million

McCulloch £2.2 million

Beasley £1 million

Cousin £1 million

Naismith £2 million

Miller £2 million

Velicka £1 million

Lafferty £3.5 million

There were also smaller fees for Alexander, Webster, etc.

Total around £20 million.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:07:12
#82 WHAT BOUT MCCULLOCH AND ADAM, WE HAVE 3 PLAYERS OUT OF 4 IN MIDFIELD THAT CANT RUN, IM NOT EXAGERATING HERE, THEY CANT RUN, THEY CANT PASS, TEHY CANT SHOOT, WHAT DO WE HAVE? A SOLID BACK 4, GOOD KEEPER AND 19 STRIKERS WHO CANT SCORE.
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paulmac,

surrey 31/07/2008 16:07:54
Brian

We brought Killen in at no cost as back up.....we knew exactly what we were gettin with him.....

If a player doesn't work out that you've brought in from AC Milan and Real Madrid....then you just have to get on with it....

The problem with Deeks is....Deeks...again you have to decide when it's time to cut yer loses....

Be honest....would you fancy a straight forward win at Brockville with that team that turned out last night?
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:08:59
#83 DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THAT LIST?, HALF CANT PLAY THE OTHER HALF ARE USELESS AND SOME ARE INJURED....2 GOOD SIGNINGS OUT OF 20M, THERE YE GO.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:09:55
#85 ITS GOT A DRAW WRITTEN ALL OVER IT, UNLESS THEY SCORE FIRST, IT WILL BE 1-0 FALKIRK
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 16:11:17
81 chazbud

Love you passion and most Gers supporters feel the same as you do.

McGhee will prove a one season wonder, Levein in my opinion the best manager in the SPL for evaluating young talent and getting the most out of them. He has a good track record in the SPL.

I do believe that with a couple of good signings we will be fine in the SPL challenge this season.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

31/07/2008 16:11:28
chazbud

Nope, I'm a realist, mate, and a RFC fan of over 40 years standing, so I can remember MUCH worse times than this.

We won a cup double last season, came close to the Treble, made a decent stab of the CL, then reached the UEFA Final.

Personally, I can't really remember a season of more achievement. Possibly Walter's team of 92/93 that won the treble and went through the whole CL campaign unbeaten, but that's about it.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:11:50
JUST IMAGINE THIS, FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON AND WE LINE UP WAE THAT MIDFIELD FROM LAST NIGHT, ACTION MUST BE TAKEN, THEY MUST BE GONE WITH, WE NEED TO SIGN 3 MIDFIELDERS BEFORE THE FALKIRK GAME AND 1 CENTRE HALF, WEIR MAKES TOO MANY MISTAKES NOW, HED BE A GOOD COACH, NOT A PLAYER ANYMORE, WHEN HE WAS OUTDONE BY MARICA LAST YEAR, THAT WAS IT.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:13:23
SORRY TO HARP ON BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES ITS WORSE, WALTER SITH THINKS THESE PLAYERS ARE GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS, WHERE HAS HE BEEN FOR 10 YEARS, HE THINKS THEY ARE USEFUL!!! WHATS HE ON? I CANT STRESS ENOUGH HOW BAD THESE 3 PLAYERS ARE, ITS LIKE PLAYING A GAME WITH ONLY 8 MEN, HONEST, IT IS!
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:16:57
#89 RUBBISH, YER A TIM OR YE LACK AMBITION, FANS LIKE YOU WHO ACCEPT THIS MAKE ME SICK, WE CANT PROGRESS UNTIL WE KNOW WHATS WRONG, WE ALL KNOW WHATS WRONG BUT THE CLUB AINT LISTENING.IM HURTING BIG STYLE.

LAST SEASON WAS GUTTING, WE WON 2 MICKEY MOUSE CUPS, LOST THE BIG 2, THE 2 WE WANTED WE LOST, ANTI-FOOTBALL GETS YE NOWHERE, UEFA CUP FINALS ARE NOT THAT SPECIAL, ITS SECOND TIER TOURNY, RANGERS HAVE JUST BEEN MISMANAGED FOR SO MANY YEARS IT SEEMS LIKE A BIG ACHIEVMENT, GIVE ME PEICE, I WANTED TO WIN THE LEAGUE.
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Daillyman,

31/07/2008 16:17:03
83 Bemused

I see the fees that you have put to print.

With the money that came back to Ibrox in transfer fees we have allowed WS to spend approx 10mil.

As chazbud said 10mil over nearly 2 seasons is peanuts for a club the size of RFC.
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2Pasquenade ,

31/07/2008 16:19:29
78

You are kidding yourself if you think rearrangerz can net-spend £10m on players every year.

Once you balance out Walter's spending last summer with the hutton money, you're left with a net figure of around £3m.
Celtic's net spend was a bit less than that, indeed some bean counters have said that Strachan's net spend last summer was zilch.

That's the way it is sunshine, and Celtic have both higher turnover and higher profit margin than rearrangers.
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chazbud,

31/07/2008 16:19:30
#93 its a disgrace