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Published Date: 10 May 2009
'Hearts' discipline, among the support and the players on the field, is atrocious'
ANSWER ME this: if a club like Motherwell can be awarded a place in Europe courtesy of their admirable performance in the fair play league – at the moment they look the likeliest winner – then how come a club like Hearts can't be punished for routine
ly finishing at the wrong end of that particular table?

Hearts are serial offenders. Off the pitch and on. Tynecastle has a siege-like mentality; its great strength and its great weakness. It is an intimidating place for opposing teams because it's populated by crazies, by half the cast of Shaun of the Dead. Okay, okay. That's an exaggeration. A third of the cast. A fair few of them gather in front of the press box , turn their backs to the pitch for chunks of a match and swear up at us for the afternoon. Frankly, these people should look for a discount on their season ticket because they're being charged for football they're not actually watching some of the time.

Nearly every visit – certainly every derby and every game against the Old Firm – is a reminder that as a club Hearts have more than their share of unreconstructed lunatics and they're breeding them younger and younger if Thursday night's Edinburgh slugfest is anything to go by.

A 16-year-old Hearts fan ran on to the pitch to have a go at Derek Riordan after the Hibs player scored the game's only goal. The video clip would be hilarious if it didn't raise so many weighty issues of security. The youngster screeches into view, waves his arms about and then throws himself on the floor claiming that Riordan decked him.

It's one of the finest examples of spectator simulation in the history of football. The guy is led away in a state of high indignation, holding his hand to his mouth and stemming the flow of the imaginary blood from the imaginary wound caused by the imaginary punch. When even the fans are diving, Hearts have a problem.

On top of that, there was the coin-throwing and the fact that suspended and injured Hibs players sitting in the main stand suffered so many verbals from the home fans that they had to be moved into a different area for their own safety.

Now, you know what some of the Hearts mob are going to say. They're going to say that Riordan was winding them up, that he had no business celebrating in front of them like that, with his smug grin and his badge-kissing. He provoked them. And, yeah, he did. He probably did it deliberately. He just scored a goal in a ground he most likely detests and for a few seconds he wound them up. So not only was he successful with his penalty, he also hit the jackpot in getting the Hearts fans into trouble. It was a double whammy for Riordan. A dream night.

Hearts' discipline, among the support and the players on the field, is atrocious. Once again they're at the top end of the foul play league. They have more red cards than any other SPL side this season. In the previous four seasons they were never out of the top four for reds and never out of the top three for yellow cards. They are the only side that routinely appear in these lists.

Of course, they suffer along the way. Players get suspended and such like. But if there is a greater reward for behaving yourself, as Motherwell look to benefit from, then perhaps there should be a greater punishment for those who seem incapable of doing so. Dock them money if they can't get their act together, dock them a few points if the rotten discipline carries on.

Because you know what? This doesn't just impact on Hearts. It could, potentially, hurt the league as a whole. Here's why: Uefa's Fair Play League gives access to the current Uefa Cup and it's successor next season, the Europa League. Each country is ranked for discipline in its domestic and international football. Uefa use five criteria. Respect for opponents, respect for match officials, behaviour of team officials, behaviour of the crowd and numbers of yellow and red cards.

The countries that finish in the top three each get a Europa League spot. Fair enough, you get stuck in at the preliminary stage which begins in the first week of July, but it's not to be sniffed at. It's European competition and it's something to look forward to. Thankfully for Scotland, their place in the top three was secured before the nutcase ran on to the pitch at Tynecastle. UEFA decide their three nations at the end of April.

Could he have knocked Scotland out of contention with his moment of stupidity? It's possible. An intrusion on to the pitch and an attempted assault of a player may be enough to take you right out of the top three. In this instance, a daft Hearts fan could have denied another Scottish team a place in Europe. On another day it could have been a daft Rangers or Celtic or Hibs fan. God knows, they all have form. But Tynecastle is worse than any of them.

Eight red cards have been shown there already this season, a whopping total for a single stadium. But it's not just any stadium. It is a place where the subs run for cover and the supporters take a dive to try and get their hate figures into trouble. For their own sake, Hearts need to get a grip. And for the sake of that valuable spot in Europe, the SPL need to make them.

THERE is a move afoot to bring back standing areas in football stadiums. Leading the way is Stephen Taylor, a Dunfermline fan and a member of the Pars Supporters Trust. He brought a petition, signed by 2,400 fans, to Holyrood last week and was received warmly. The MSPs seem on board with his vision.

I have a slight problem with those who want to bring back even small amounts of terracing. At the centre of their argument is the diminished atmosphere in football stadiums because everybody is sitting down. Yes, there are other issues on their agenda, such as the cost of seating, but mostly it's about the vibe, the reduced noise.

Taylor and his many backers cite all sorts of sound reasons for terracing but, again, ambience is a big part of what they are saying. And here's where they lose me. They are Dunfermline supporters. Their average attendance is little more than 3,000. Standing up isn't going to turn the place into the Maracana. If it's atmosphere they lack, try filling the place with fans and see how that works.





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1

Hobo Harry,

10/05/2009 00:18:09
I say, this should have the Gorgie natives on this forum up in arms..........
2

Bleeding Heart,

10/05/2009 00:27:06
If this article - arguably this column - was something more than simply a vehicle for English's prejudices, it might be said to have some worth.

Sadly, it doesn't.

English racks up the hyperbole warp-factor with lurid nonsense such Tynecastle being "populated by crazies, by half the cast of Shaun of the Dead. Okay, okay. That's an exaggeration. A third of the cast."

When he adds that "Hearts have more than their share of unreconstructed lunatics", he presumably hasn't attended an Old Firm game or experienced at first-hand the aftermath of these encounters.

I'm not suggesting that Hearts players or fans are squeaky-clean.

But if we're looking at the question of personal responsibility, and the possibility that we could all do better, then perhaps Mr English should look nearer to home and consider whether this sensationalist "writing" is worthy of a broadsheet newspaper.

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Larry Jotter,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 00:49:24
Errr, OK, Mr English, who ever you are (sorry, never actually heard of you, you nobody). Keep taking the hate tablets.

Did the nasty men say some naughty words to you? Boo hoo, run along back to Mummy and she'll kiss it better, you sad bitter hack. How pathetic. Try being a man, and not a whinging brat.

Pretty sad it's come to this at the Scotsman. Thought I'd been reading the Daily Ret*rd there for a moment with this garbage.

Cheers,

LJ
4

Mal,

10/05/2009 00:52:44
So the Scotsman takes another dive towards tabloid standards of 'journalism'. Not really worth going in to all the reasons this is ill informed nonsense. Very easy to understand why many Hearts fans feel this paper carries an anti-Hearts agenda.

Even a Hibs fanzine would be unlikely to print such knee-jerk one-sided rubbish.
5

Jambo Jay,

10/05/2009 00:57:01
Terrible piece of journalism. What is going on with the EEN & The Scotsman. More and more anti Hearts articles are posted on this site! It's quite worrying really.

I'm not saying that these idiots who ran on the pitch were right in doing so nor do they have any support from myself however you need to look at the facts as to why they did what they did.

Not only Riordan but others ran towards the Hearts support to celebrate. If this had happened at an old firm game there would have most likely been far worse scenes.

Rewind a couple of weeks and our forward (Elliott) was being assulted outside a nightclub. Feelings were running high going into the match! And let's be honest here. The Hibs support have a far worse record than the Hearts suppport so to come out and post a story like this is really poor.

I didn't read anywhere in any of the papers about the boy who beat up Elliott being strung up!

Personally I think any decent Hearts fan should stop buying your rag as it's gone down hill!

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Hobo Harry,

10/05/2009 01:17:08
3 Larry Jotter, Quite right, you show him how it's done. A well written piece like the one you have provided should be an education to us all......

Arf arf arf
7

HotPiesMcBovril,

10/05/2009 01:18:33
The strange headline drew me in. As already said tabloid level at best. Do you earn a commission basis email response? Shockingly dreadful vitriolic hatemongering garbage. You should be fired from the Scotsman, a previously respectable and revered publication. Who is is your editor? Do you both live in Leith and suffer from the normal inferiorities? Pot kettle black when raging about something where Riordan, that stellar role model, is the foil to your villain. How old are you? I hope under 25. Get a serious grip. Oh yeh, almost forgot, Mixu must stay.
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Canadian Jambo,

10/05/2009 01:39:33
Well, fellow Jambos. The man has a point. Our disciplinary record is a shambles and we have not been comporting ourselves well. As my mother (bless her soul) used to say when I claimed that my school report card was 'not as bad as others' -'don't judge yourself by the worst, compare yourself to the best'.
By this standard HOMFC are currently failing.
And that saddens me.
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StockportJambo,

10/05/2009 01:55:35
"Hearts' discipline, among the support and the players on the field, is atrocious. Once again they're at the top end of the foul play league. They have more red cards than any other SPL side this season. In the previous four seasons they were never out of the top four for reds and never out of the top three for yellow cards. They are the only side that routinely appear in these lists."

Okay English, whoever you are, ask yourself why that might be? It could be that we are the dirtiest team on the planet. Ehhh nope, that's not it - our players are small and sleight - not bruisers. The idea that we are a big physical side is laughable - clearly they haven't seen us play!

Maybe it's because we get players sent off for being headbutted (and the joke 'appeal' thrown out), we had another sent off on Thursday for getting tangled up with Riordan (little more than a clumsy challenge really, no malice involved). He was last man though so under the rules if he fouled Riordan then he has to go. We've also had not one but two penalties awarded and then inexplicably retracted.

We've had a player sent off by the FOURTH OFFICIAL when neither the referee nor the linesmen saw anything amiss.

Some noteable examples amongst many, but there's three decidedly dodgy red cards right there. What would that have done to our record?

And we have hate-ridden articles like this... seemingly solely designed to stoke up any remaining fire in the SFA's belly against Hearts. Because they don't like the owner, what he says, or the horse he rode in on.

As you say, this doesn't just reflect badly on Hearts - it reflects on the whole of Scottish football. And if there's one thing Scottish football has certainly not covered itself in glory with over the past five years, it's been the treatment of Hearts, their players (Miko... Zaliukas...notice a pattern here?), & the club's administration by "certain sections" of the media.

And all because Romanov called you lot monkeys & served bana
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StockportJambo,

10/05/2009 01:56:31

And all because Romanov called you lot monkeys & served bananas at press lunches. You haven't gone out of your way to prove him wrong really, have you.

Think about that.
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Malcolm Craig,

Whitby 10/05/2009 02:07:41
The UEFA Fair Play League is a farce. Poor teams should not be rewarded by a place in Europe as a result of their disciplinary record. Also, to suggest that Hearts are letting the SPL down by having a poor disciplinary record is nonsense. Are the sides they play against in the SPL bothered by playing 10 men or facing weakened sides? Of course not.
12

B4 Part B,

10/05/2009 02:16:25
Stockport Jambo - Well Said!!

I don't condone the 'boy' running on to the pitch to confront riorden, however, this article says he was 16, and by my counting there were possibly another 4 or 5 got on to the pitch, hardly the 'third' of the support (would have been around 5,000) that Mr (?) English claims.

I wonder where his outrage was when Garry O'Conner scored for 10 man hibs at Easter Road and there were at least 100 on the pitch? Did he talk about the implications of this for the whole of Scottish football?

When a member of the greatest fans in the world ran on and confronted Dida, did he talk about how that may have implications for the whole of Scottish football?

No, he did not.

Another point, we have been punished for our disciplinery record on the pitch, through suspensions for the players concerned, and financially via fines imposed by the SFA.

This is yet another example of the petty, ill informed 'journalism' that has come to be expected of The Scotsman.
13

B4 Part B,

10/05/2009 02:32:39
One more thing, Riorden scored a penalty. Before he took the penalty he would have been well aware of where the Hibs support was located, and where the Hearts support was located, why does Mr English not question the actions of Riorden, a player and person who has already demonstrated a massive amount of ill judgement during his short professional carrer, in running to celebrate in front of the Hearts support as opposed to celebrating with the Hibs support?

Riorden celebrated in front of the Hearts support to provoke a reaction, whilst it was wrong, he got that reaction.
14

Fro,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 03:02:23
I don't know why hearts supporters are wetting themselves over this article. Hearts players often celebrate in front of Hibs fans in the East Stand at Easter Road but they aren't subject to physical attacks. The bottom line is that if hearts supporters didn't act like the ferral beasts that they are, people like Tom English wouldn't be writing such articles like we're seeing today.
15

Private Pike,

10/05/2009 04:58:21
B4 Part B
Did you read the article? Did you read para 7? Or did you just read some of the comments from the so called Hearts supporters.

Did Riordans antics justify the Hearts fan running running on to the pitch to assault the player?

End of story for most people but not for you and others of the maroon tendency. For you, this is just another example of the disgraceful treatment of Hearts by the SFA, the SPL and the Media.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 06:07:28
English is a clown and they have print this kind of article to get hits on this site.I feel bad responding so I ask all Hearts fans to just ignore it from now on.
I stopped buying the Scotsman a year or so ago due to there pro Unionist anti Hearts storys and only read it on line.
You would think that when the P45s are landing on the desks at Holyrood they would ask themselfs whats gone wrong?
Im not asking for any pro Hearts storys like the sycophantic rot printed about the team on the other side of town thats almost worse,just dont print lies and have a bit of balance.
I have supported Hearts for Over 40 years and have seen fences at grounds and the the result of having them.What do you want English?Machine gun nests in the corners?
Nobody condones the brain dead who cant control there hate and behave like the idiots on Thursday so I put you in the same category.You forget that with freedom of the press comes resposibility.
JT for life.
17

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 07:38:32
Simply nonsense - on so many levels.

Hearts have nothing like the Hibs Casuals, for example, which is one of the most notorious hooligan groups in the UK, never mind Scotland. We have a few numpties who turn up for the Celtic matches in one corner of the crowd and they are always drowned out by the rest of the crowd. We have never been involved in, for example, the actions of Celtic and Rangers fans abroad in recent years and, domestically, nothing like what Hibs and Aberdeen casuals get up to most weeks.

Last I looked we had fewer players in the top 10 of worst offenders on the pitch this season than other clubs and a HIbs player - Sol Bamba - was top.

Our players dive no more than any other team - less in fact, Riorden, for example, played for that penalty - even Hibee Pat Nevin admitted it on Saturday's Sportscene. English has bought into the myth. McDonald of Celtic was diving all over the place in the OF game. Media darling Kris Boyd is another serial offender. hearts have actually cleaned up their act in this respect by getting rid of our main culprit.

Hearts players have nothing approaching the recoprd for bad behaviour off the field the Hibs players have - Riorden being a serial culprit. Why no mention from English of the Hibs player on the bench with a conviction for assaulting a Hearts player on the street?

Hearts also have fewer yellow cards than Kilmarnock and Hibs recent disciplinary record has been about the same - yet we get punished by this rolling fine that doesn't take into account the fact that we have had players sent off for being on the receiving end of headbutts this season!

Tom English has based his entire view of a support and team around the actions of one idiotic teenager.

The irony of that is that Derek Riorden has probably been in court more often than him.

"Hearts mob" - there was no Hearts mob - even Hibs fans are saying the whole things has been overblown. Ridiculous "journalism".
18

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 07:44:13
"how come a club like Hearts can't be punished for routinely finishing at the wrong end of that particular table?"

This is actually wrong - maybe someone else has the info, but we've not been finishing bottom of the table every year. Other teams have been fined too. On yellow cards, we're actually pretty average. It's the red cards we've had trouble with - and we all know how many controversial ones we've had.

As for this - "But it's not just any stadium. It is a place where the subs run for cover and the supporters take a dive to try and get their hate figures into trouble."

It's a stadium that has been voted best away venue by the players in the SPL two years or more in a row. Kind of goes against your image of it being somewhere people fear for their lives.

This is a blog Mr English - feel free to back up your claims with actual facts.
19

gggrumpy,

10/05/2009 07:48:07
According to Mr English, Riordan deliberately wound up the Hearts fans provoked them into getting into trouble, thus making for a " dream night".

If he seriously believes this should he not be directing his hatred in the direction of Easter Road because the afore mentioned player has previous for his gestures to fans and has so far escaped punishment.
20

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 07:49:52
And another thing - English seems to think Motherwell are deserving winners of the fair play league and worthy of representing Scotland in Europe.

Yet ignores the fact that their fans have been warned twice for racist chants in recent seasons. Hibs fans, meanwhile, ruined a minute's silence for a former player at Tynecastle recently.

And at the Old Firm game, once again all sorts of non-football related songs were sung and people no doubt stabbed afterwards. This is nothing but a petty opportunity to have a dig at Romanov.

By all means do an article on the actions of fans but to paint a picture of Hearts like this that no fan who regularly goes and behaves - the vast, vast majority - will recognise shows you have your own agenda.
21

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 07:53:39
Maybe, in light of these revelations form Mr English, I should ask for my money back for the two U12 season tickets I recently bought for £19 each (yes £19 - hardly the actions of a club seeking to attract hooligans to the game)?

Nah - maybe I actually know the club better than he does.
22

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 07:57:14
#15 Did Elliot's (alleged and totally unproven) "antics" justify Darren McCormick - a Hibs fan and player - punching him in the face in the street?
23

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 08:00:39
" Standing up isn't going to turn the place into the Maracana. If it's atmosphere they lack, try filling the place with fans and see how that works. "

Going by this comment, English appears to admire the Maracana as what a football stadium should be. It has a huge reputation for violence at matches played there - somewhat more terrifying than Tynecastle I would suggest. Ah well... a new low has been reached in the Scotsman's take of events at Hearts since that blasted foreigner Romanov took over.
24

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 08:14:46
Before I go for a sit down, can I also point out that I can't find anywhere Tom English condemning Derek Riorden for singing racist songs about an Eastern European Hearts player (still available on YouTube) and the Hibs fans racist chants at Kingston and Nade in recent games? I can't find that article anywhere but there must be one as English obviously has a problem with things like that, as most people do, and must have written something about it??
25

Le Chat,

10/05/2009 08:24:56
No mention of the HIbs fans being on the pitch too.

No mention of the repeated Wallace Mercer's dead songs.

No mention of the songs glorifying a current Hibs fan now having a criminal record for assualt(ing a Hearts player).

No mention of the fact that the Hibs fans were on the pitch again and broke the goal stantion.

No mention of the fact that Hibs fans broke over 70 seats in the Roseburn stand after the game.

No mention of the Hibs players sitting amongst Hearts supporters shouting that we can "Get it f***ing right up" us.

No mention of the fact that yet another Hibs player totally ignores his own fans after scoring to have a go at the Hearts fans.

I thought journalism was supposed to be balanced ?

This pile of plops is anything but.

No wonder people don't buy this garbage anymore.
26

Scotty B,

Tynie Boiler Room 10/05/2009 08:28:36
Seems like the author his hit the nail on the head with the siege-like mentality.

None of the yams on here can accept that there's a problem at the bus shelter, instead they're happy to point the fingers at Hibs and say 'aye but they're just as bad, honest mister'

The truth hurts doesn't it?
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 08:30:28
#27 It's not the truth though - Hearts are not the worst culprits. That's the essence of English's article and that's why people like me are poinitng out how it's simply not the case.
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Scotty B,

Tynie Boiler Room 10/05/2009 08:33:35
How many other clubs have had fans arrested for trying to attack opposition players on the pitch this season?

And the truth is that (yet again) they're at the bottom end of the fair play league.

Truth hurts......
29

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 08:37:51
#29 Ahem - a Hibs fan (and player) has been convicted for succeeding in attacking an opposition player in the street!

Sorry but the facts and figures don't add up. I know for a fact that Hearts do not have the worst record for arrests at matches - far from it. Our yellow card total is pretty average. Yes we get red cards, but take into account that fact that refs have, until recently, had a zero tolerance policy with hearts Lithianian players, and the fact that at least one of those cards was universally (apart from the ref himself) found to be wrong, and we are not much ahead of other teams, including Hibs, on red cards.

As any Hibs fan will tell you, the worst fans for football-related hooliganism in Scotland (outside the OF) are Hibs and Aberdeen casuals and it's been like that for twenty years or so.
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Scotty B,

Tynie Boiler Room 10/05/2009 08:44:30
"Yes we get red cards, but take into account that fact that refs have, until recently, had a zero tolerance policy with hearts Lithianian players, and the fact that at least one of those cards was universally (apart from the ref himself) found to be wrong"

So yet again, it's someone else's fault. After all, the red cards Hearts players get are all just part of the big conspiracy theory, aren't they?

I take it there's evidence of this 'zero tolenrance' policy somewhere, or is that something else that's been made up to fit in with the siege mentality.

Hearts are a shambles from top to bottom and yet you try to point the finger elsewhere.
31

ronwishart,

uk 10/05/2009 08:48:33
For a long time the Hearts support has bullied and intimidated visiting fans.
A very good and honest piece of journalism.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

10/05/2009 08:53:22
#31 Zauliski was sent off for getting head-butted by Lee Miller. Every pundit, even arch-Hibee Nevin agreed it was a travesty. Hearts are far from being a shambles - it's ridiculous that people can't see beyond their dislike of Romanov.

#32 Tynecastle is indeed renowned for it's intimidating atmosphere, as are many of the best stadiums around the world. One reason why it's been voted the best away ground in the league.
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Anecdotal,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 08:55:54
Biased articles like this one make me glad I don't buy the Scotsman anymore. It has become a completely rubbish paper in recent years as has the EEN. Never happy to see people lose their jobs but the decline in sales that is causing redundancies at both papers now will only continue unless there is a major improvement in the quality of the reporting.

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hibbydoug,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 09:05:09
Calm down dear's it's only a derby defeat, what the Hearts fans have to learn is how to take a defeat on the chin instead of thinking the world and his uncle is against you.
You had only to turn up and beat the Hibs reserves and you would be in Europe but once again you believed your own hype so you deserve nothing. When you read the post here you realise why Hearts have a problem as they think the world is against them but all it is after spending £40 million or whatever and standing on the brink of insolvency the fact remains........ .your no very good.
35

Scotty B,

Tynie Boiler Room 10/05/2009 09:10:30
#33 - That accounts for one of the ten red cards Hearts have had this season - so what about the other nine?

And again, where is the evidence of this 'zero tolerance policy'?
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It's me!,

10/05/2009 09:14:02
Would Hearts crime count be as bad if referees didn't sent Hearts players off for being the victim of a head butt or reacting to being dragged to the ground in a head lock? I can't excuse the reaction but why was the Falkirk player not red carded for the initial violent offence? If referees were consistent with bookings and red carded the Falkirk player and others such as Barry Ferguson for holding an Aberdeen player by the throat the Hearts record wouldn't look so bad - in fact it might just look average but we know there is a vendetta against Hearts by some referees.
37

Grierson_Green,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 09:23:58
Good, true and fair article - 100% correct - end of.
At least one journalist has the b8lls to write the truth and not care about the backlash form the hooligan element of the worst set of football supporters in Scotland who thinhk that the world is against them. If they weren't so dammed smug when they won a few games under burley maybe other supporters would feel sorry for them.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 10/05/2009 09:25:09
What a deplorable article, no sense of balance, no in depth analasis of the statistics, just "Third Reich" style propaganda.
I can think of two red cards that were laughable this season, and the red card Karipidis got was not for "indiscipline".
Once upon a time we got excellent reporting on the sports pages, but it look like we have to endure more veiled,anti Romanov/Lithuanian, diatribes.
I suppose as long as Bathgate calls the shots in that dept. his minnions will toe the line, as his grudge against Vlad trundles on.
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 09:28:59
English's article isn't even correct. Let's inject some sanity and balance into proceedings shall we:

http://www.splrefs.com/All-Teams/All-Teams-Cards.php?TeamID=50&TeamName=All+Teams&sort=YellowCard

We have an obvious problem with red cards but if English would do some proper journalism and go through them all he might find a few inconsistencies with Hearts players getting cards for things other players don't get penalised for.

We're far down the league for yellows. Hibs have ten more than us - that's five red cards worth. Kilmarnock have over 20 more cards than us! And Hearts don;t even have a player in the top five "bad boys".

Last season we finished with the same number of cards as Hibs - we had one more red card which pushed us above them in the crime count league.

Indeed we are the scourge of Scottish football! Hyperbolic, sensationalist nonsense even a tabloid would be embarrassed to publish.
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c mains hibby,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 09:30:19
Couldn,t agree more with you more Mr English on this fine piece of sporting journalism, you should be commended on such a fine article.
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Hibernianinc,

10/05/2009 09:37:48
This is an accurate and well-balanced piece of journalism.

Everyone knows that Deek is just a playful wee scamp, a loveable tyke, playing football with his heart on his sleve.

If herts fans had any integrity they'd have applauded his wonderful strike, rather than the shouts and gesticulations of abuse, and the attempted assault.

I'd not be surprised if FIFA step in with sanctions of some kind.....
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 09:39:21
#38 Your (factually wrong) response reason English's article is the worst form of journalism. Actually it's not journalism. Journalism would back up the comments with actual stats, facts and context. This is the worst form of opinion piece - designed to generate controversy. English himself can't possibly call himself a football man and believe that guff.

And as someone else pointed out, while the author seems to think of himself as a bit of a wit and a wag, he completely fails to sport the irony in the fact that Derek Riorden probably does have more court appearances, fines and bannings under his belt than the 16 year old Hearts ned. Pat Nevin spotted the irony on Sportscene when laughing at Mixu's assertion that Riorden simply didn't know where the Hearts fans were sitting and got confused. He knew what he was doing and succeeded in doing it.
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It's me!,

10/05/2009 09:41:08
If you care to look at the Daily Record's stats count you will find Bamba is the dirtiest player in Scotland with 2 red cards and 11 yellow cards. Maybe the journalists who work for this tabloidesque rag should check the records before opening their mouths. Oh! By the way there were more Hibs fans ejected from Tynecastle the other night for attempting to get on the pitch than Hearts supporters. Ask the police who were there.
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moonraker,

10/05/2009 09:41:11
I remember some statistis published, probably last season where an analysis of the foul: bookings ratio was made. It was quite enlightening that Hearts players needed very few fould to get booked compared to those of other teams who could foul with impunity. That might have something to do with their position in the Fair Play League
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macdiarmid,

10/05/2009 09:41:43
Aticle might be a bit over the top but fact is incidents involving Hearts fans at Derby cannot be defended regardless of how a player celebrated the winning goal.No teams players and staff should be subject to this type of behaviour.Hearts have a history of fan trouble demonstrated by their antics at the derby following Hibs cup win.Their reaction that day,having to be bodily ejected from ER, was nothing short of inciting a riot.Luckily the home support showed restraint or the scenes could have been reminicent of our neighbours from the west in the bad old days. I can personally recall being acttacked from behind by so called supporters from the old shed in Wheatfield area when leaving McLeod Street exit simply because Hibs scored an injury time winner and prevented what would have been a first Hearts derby victory in a few years. I think that if Hearts fans step back and take a sensible look at this they have to conceded they have a problem and getting into arguements over whose supporters are worse does nothing to address this.
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macdiarmid,

10/05/2009 09:42:10
#47 Article
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 09:44:42
What makes this article worse is that the writer doesn't have the courage to come on and stand up for his "belief" in what he wrote. This is a blog no? On the Guardian, the writers interact with the people who leave comments. But this writer has no interest in a serious debate, or backing up his claims does he? He just popped up, lobbed in a grenade from distance and then ducked his head down again - much like the football hooligan who throws a punch and then runs away.
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Hellslastissue,

10/05/2009 09:49:44
A very well balanced article Mr English has hit the nail on the head Hearts players and Hearts fans are a disgrace to the beautiful game.
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 09:50:55
#47 "Hearts have a history of fan trouble demonstrated by their antics at the derby following Hibs cup win." Hearts fans don't have a history of that - no more than any other team and very much less than some. That's why this article is so deplorable - it's simply factually incorrect.

Here, for example, is a history of the Scottish hooligan scene - no mention of Hearts:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/hooligansnews/post22648091/
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sanity check,

LARBERT 10/05/2009 09:52:35
Just as Deek's and other hibs players antics were committed in order to get a reaction I am sure tom English thought he could write a fanciful piece full of personal bias and hyperbole in order to be top of the comments table. to suggest that 1/3 of the Hearts support are "unreconstructed lunatics and they're breeding them younger and younger" even in jest is both pathetic and blatantly untrue yet this viewpoint is then used as a foundation for his whole article. It saddens me greatly that the Scotsman has sunk to such sensationalist "reporting" and Mr english should not be surprised that he gets pilloried at grounds when he thinks he can name call with impunity but if people react to it he should be free to further "spread the truth" by writing such articles.
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Le Chat,

10/05/2009 09:55:20
Oops forgot to add;

No mention of the Hibs support singing songs alleging that the Hearts captain is a child molester (after singing the same guff previously about Steven Pressley).

Nice and classy as always.
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mixu62,

sunny leith 10/05/2009 09:59:52
Excellent article, well written and literate more than can be said for 99.0% of the Hearts fans who either didn't read the article properly. Still yiou lot are the best balanced fans in the UK - Chips on each shoulder and on top of your heads.
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 10:01:55
#55 Of course it was also Hibs fans who made well-publicised death threats against Wallace Mercer and then glorified in his eventual death (and continue to do so).

That's the problem with this article - football supports all have nasty elements. To try to make out that one is much nastier than the rest really needs to present more evidence, or any evidence.

The Scotsman itself published a list of the arrest records at Scottish grounds recently. I can't find it but I do know Hearts were not near the top.
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they aint won the cup since 1902,

10/05/2009 10:06:24
Who is this Tom English ? What a complete and utter T1t !! He comes on here with the idea that Hearts and only Hearts may have cost Scotland another place in Europe. The lad that ran on the pitch was not 16 TOM, he is mid 20s. Let me ask you this TOM - In regards to the fair play ruling, Did Glesgae Ragers antics in Manchester have any bearing in this fair play thing ? The AC Milan keeper getting a clip round the ear at parkhead come in to it ? Riordan makes racist chanting towards Rudi Skacel (available as proof on You tube) And is clearly guilty of Incitement at the derby, Makes gestures towards Hearts fans at Easter Rd. Ian Murry also Guilty of Incitement on countless occasions. The atmosphere at Tynecastle has been regarded as very hostile, atmospheric, and managers such as J Calderwood and Mark Mcgee are quoted as saying they wish they had a home support like Hearts as its like a 12th man. This of course is handy when Refs dish out pointless red cards to the Mikos of this world for a certain incident at Hampden. I would like to stand at the side of the pitch when your playing Tom. I would run on and deliver a right boot in your Testicles. But like most journo8s , you probably never kicked a baw in you puff !!
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 10:06:57
Another well balanced article in the Hobosman on Sunday, Heart of Midlothian should demand a retraction.
Hibernian, Hibernian, poor wee victims since 1875.
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macdiarmid,

10/05/2009 10:19:53
#58 "I would like to stand at the side of the pitch when your playing Tom. I would run on and deliver a right boot in your Testicles".

Think you have just demonstrated what this is all about.Perhaps too many at tynecastle that consider violence as a valid next step when things don't go their way or they disagree with a viewpoint. Not saying I agree with Tom English but many on here complaining about his journalistic qualities or lack of, while seem content to absorb the mince churned out by Foulkes each week. Suppose one consilation is that the more time he spends on his evening news career perhaps the less damage he can do as a politician.
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c mains hibby,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 10:22:19
Arise Sir Tom English for your services to journalism.
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 10:26:16
Two Hearts fans on the pitch in 20 years, at least 10/15 hobos any time they score(lucky that doesn't happen often) and the highest percentage of women supporters plus highest percentage of family supporters in the league, best ground for atmosphere in the league and we've now got rid of the two idiots, one of which apperently had a hobo top on, you have a problem if you think we have a problem.
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 10:31:06
Tom - see #61. Well done mate - you've won the support of the rather large Hibs ned and casual element.

I think the way is open for a serious newspaper - the only one I can think of that this still applies to is The Herald - to research (heard of that word Tom?) an article titled Are Hearts the dirtiest team in the league? (I would suggest the lack of yellow cards and volume of reds suggests a problem with indiscipline rather than being a dirty team) followed up by an article titled Are Hearts fans the worst behaved in the league?

Both articles could use actual facts (novelty eh?) to come to their conclusions.

I'd suggest that no team in Scotland does more to encourage youngsters to watch Scottish football through our U12 season tickets, the Award-winning schoolkids breakfast scheme and other initiatives aimed at youngsters.

I know people who work on these schemes and that's why I find this article so insulting. Hearts does a huge amount in the community and to suggest that the actions of one provoked teenager should negate all that good work and lead to recriminations from the SPL (such as banning from Europe as seems to be English's wish) beggars belief. The fact that the article fails completely to point out recent equivalent or worse incidents involving Hibs, Motherwell, Celtic and Rangers fans (is Manchester really too long ago to bring up again?) makes it even worse.
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 10:37:09
#62 Too right - I believe we were the first Scottish club to build a family enclosure.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 10:47:01
The more I think about it I had to have laugh to myself.Glasgow police have declared virtual marshall law for the OF bun fight yesterday,no tables and chairs to be put outside pubs and restaurants.All leave cancelled for staff in the battered wifes offices.Hospitals on red alert 1000 extra polis called in.All of this is not rated worthy of comment anywhere.
What happened in Edinburgh on Thursday?Two thickos ran on to the feild of play and tried to hit the tube who gave them the victory sign last time.The IQ of the three of them would not reach double figures.What happened then?Everybody went home with some happier than others,thats life.
What can Hearts do?Ban them tick thats done,police take them to court and they fine fine them tick.
The police reports that the rest of the night passed of without further trouble,need I say more.
If you dont thik theres an agenda you need to see a doctor.Remind me again why theres an agena oh yes the owner of my club stated he though the paper printed kak,they have never stopped doing so since.
JT for life.
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Mogg,

10/05/2009 10:49:53
Perfectly fair journalistic assessment of the increasingly hostile and venomous attitude of Hearts supports, and not just a small minority that is common amongst most teams. The Millwall of Scotland.
The sooner Vlad pulls the plug on them the better for everyone.
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 10:54:43
#66 See what you've done Mr English - you're encouraging them. Millwall of Scotland indeed.
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 10:55:50
66 keep injecting
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The Shopkeeper ,

10/05/2009 10:58:28
Vindictive sneering snide article by a media firm on the way out readership dwindling internet views on the wane wake up and smell the coffee .
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 10:58:56
#65 The fact that an Old Firm game would never take place on a Thursday evening or indeed any evening (or, increasingly, an afternoon - what next - playing at 4am in the morning?) so as to keep the trouble to a containable level obviously doesn't concern Mr English. Neither does the fact that the fixture list is fixed to ensure the OF don't play a title decider on the last day of the season for the same reason.

How does that reflect on the image of our game in Europe, given that these are the two Scottish teams that play the most matched there?

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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 11:04:55
From the Independent:

"Hibernian will face action from the Scottish FA after a fan of theirs ran on at half-time and tried to attack the referee, Stuart Dougal. It was an unwanted double after a similar incident at Pittodrie on Saturday during Aberdeen's game with Rangers.

The club said action would be taken against the supporter, who was arrested by police after the Hearts goalkeeper, Tepi Moilanen, had rushed to Dougal's rescue.

The Hibs manager, Bobby Williamson, added: "People should not be on the pitch at all - we have to protect players and referees form this stuff."
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 11:05:10
71 how sad you strange little hobbit.
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It's me!,

10/05/2009 11:05:36
Does anyone know what Tom English looks like? No? Too cowardly to show his face. Throws mud and hides behind a newspaper.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

10/05/2009 11:17:00
Well, looks to me that Mr English has successfully 'Done a Deeks' and got a lot of the Jambos a bit het up. While I have to agree that some of it's a bit over the top, Hearts HAVE been near the top ( or is it bottom? ) of the disciplinary charts for a few years, even taking away a few dubious decisions off.

Bottom line is, even though all teams have some muppets following them, they don't tend to enter the pitch with the intent of having a go at opposition players.

"When even the fans are diving" is a fair point, mind. ;-)
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FFF,

10/05/2009 11:27:28
"populated by crazies, by half the cast of Shaun of the Dead"

"unreconstructed lunatics and they're breeding them younger and younger"

Priceless!

Loving the reactions as well, This one from 'The Shopkeeper'..."Vindictive sneering snide article"....a wee bit like the majority of your posts on here then, innit!


Tell it like it is Tom.
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I.J,

The Diggers 10/05/2009 11:34:13
Jesus christ. Is this the standard of Hearts/hibs "banter" on here now? No wonder I rarely post - it's like 6 year olds in the playground.
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jambo to dundee,

dundee 10/05/2009 11:36:29
A very one sided piece ,ignorant to a lot of facts .Stinks of an extreme dislike of hearts ,its a low level dimwitted opinion,Which seems to be fast becoming the norm for the papers football coverage .
Why ignore the hibs fans on the pitch the damage done to the goal the seats ?
What Hearts players are regularly in trouble off the field Mr English as you eluded too?
Riordan new what he was about when he celebrated that goal he nearly instigated a riot .He is the character who should be facing a fine a court appearance aswell as the morons who ran on the pitch ,but Deek becomes a hero to hibs fans while those two dafties most likely have damaged there future prospects for good for a moments madness ,which of the 3 has a worse record of behaviour ?.
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The Future's Maroon,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 11:38:14
Dunno why folk are getting all worked up about this, I was actually chuckling away at this article, who is Tom English anyway....did he come from the Daily Sport?

Keep up the good work Tom, but remember for next time "must ty harder".
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Bang Bang Bang,

10/05/2009 11:48:29
sh*te article sh*te paper and sh*ter of an author
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FFF,

10/05/2009 12:06:10
#74

It took me about 3 seconds to find a picture of Tom English.

Why would you want to know what he looks like though?
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radge dug,

10/05/2009 12:07:55
As a Jambo, i found this quite funny. There is a lot of truth in it. Some of the white trash Deliverance types at Tynie are frightening/funny depending on the situation.

However, to say Hearts are worse than Hibs is... strange. As someone who can see Easter Road stadium from my flat, i can testify that Easter Road is an island populated by white trash who never leave the place and don't take kindly to those who visit. The record of Hibs' players and their brushes with the law is also not mentioned in this piece.

It's good to have a laugh but let's have some balance too.
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King of the North,

10/05/2009 12:09:10
Laughable, amateurish nonsense, that you might expect to be lifted straight from the pages of hibs.net.

But in an Edinburgh based national newspaper?

Tom, you sorry excuse for a journalist, go and do some research into arrests in the ground at Ibrox, Parkhead, Easter Road and Tynecastle. Publish the results next week, along with an apology.

While you are at it, perhaps you might condemn the Hibs fans who invaded the pitch in greater number than the Hearts fans, you might condemn Riordan for sparking the entire incident, you might condemn the Hibs players in the stands goading the Hearts support.

Campbell Ogilvie should ban all representatives of the ever more embarrassing Scotsman Publications from the ground until you are forced to print an apology or the sports editor sees sense and bins you.

The Scotsmans core readership is in Edinburgh Tom, and there are far, far more Hearts fans than Hibs fans in Edinburgh. Most Hibs fans probably prefer The Sun or the Record in any case, so I think you could probably surmise that 75% of Scotsman readers would be Hearts fans. Not the best idea to alienate them.





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FFF,

10/05/2009 12:18:09
"Most Hibs fans probably prefer The Sun or the Record in any case, so I think you could probably surmise that 75% of Scotsman readers would be Hearts fans."

Stunning arrogance. This is why we love you
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Der Kaiser,

10/05/2009 12:18:22
This item of journalism (and the term journalism is used very loosely) is simply appalling. I’ve seen crayon etchings from my toddler son on the floor of my living room that demonstrate higher levels of intelligence. I can only presume that the very point in his cr*p report (and lets be honest it is cr*p) is to simply wind people up. That and encourage those Hibs fans who share his same immature mentality to leap on his bandwagon spouting similar p1sh. That’s not all Hibs fans mind, just the small number of usual morons who plague these forums.
Hearts can’t hide from the fact their discipline stats initially make worrying reading. But look closely at the stats and what exactly are Hearts guilty of? 3 “Last man” red cards given from late but certainly not viscious tackles, 3 second yellows and Wallace shouting his head off in the tunnel at Pittodrie after the match finished. So that leaves us with Stewarts straight red for kicking out, deserved but certainly not as sore as the defender let on, Zals straight red against Falkirk after he was hauled to the ground by his neck (a bad foul on him but an unforgiveable reaction from Zal) and the red card given to Zal again when Lee Miller headbutted HIM (as TV cameras clearly showed).
Before Tom English puts pen to paper again he’d do well to take said pen and bury it deep up his Rior End and provide us all with something that’s actually funny.
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King of the North,

10/05/2009 12:26:27
No. 86 - I know you love us, you are obsessed with us, which is why your racist scumbag number '01' made straight for us, sparking off Thursday nights incidents.

Wee team mentality. You deserve a moment in the sun I suppose for your victory against the odds, but Tom English's article is unacceptable.
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FFF,

10/05/2009 12:42:58
#88

Would you care to enlighten me as to what a 'BIG' team mentality is so that I can mend my ways
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FFF,

10/05/2009 12:45:15
....or has the article already demonstrated this?
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 12:47:40
The thing that gets me about the writings of someone like English, who incidentally has contributed a lot less to Scottish football than the club he's chosen to attack, is the inconsistency.

Just a few weeks ago he was accusing George Burley of being too nice, saying he should be similar to Graeme Souness - in many people's eyes one of most thuggish players to come out of Scotland.

I'm confused by this article then, which says Hearts should have the book thrown at them for indiscipline - when none of our players have committed anything like the acts that gained Souness his reputation worldwide.

So which is it? Do you need to be nice or nasty to be successful in football? These inconsistencies which we also see in people like Chick Young bring down the standard of journalism in our game just now. It's all reactionary schoolboy stuff - there's no serious debate. And there's no doubt certain journalists like English pander to the Old Firm by choosing soft targets for clearly inflamatory articles like this one, when an article like this could, and should, be written after every Old Firm game.
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Cramondo,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 12:52:41
Mr English, if you looked at the fouls committed and yellow card tables you'd find Hibs above Hearts this year.

I'm quite sure that if you analysed all games played at Tynecastle (most of which I've seen) you would find that the opposition commit more fouls than Hearts.

The red card count is cause for concern, but many of these have been daft, like Wallace's first booking against Rangers (silly lad to go on and get another booking), or Zaliukas being sent off for getting head-butted.

Others are indefensible, like Zaliukas against Falkirk.

Thursday night's red card looked to result from a very soft challenge, but it was a clear goal scoring opportunity so another red card.

Really dirty play is play that is likely to cause injury, and that is not how Hearts play. I've seen quite a few dirty teams at Tynecastle this season, Kilmarnock probably the worst.

And, as others have posted. Exactly why the Scotsman and SoS are so fond of getting stuck into their local team is quite beyond me.
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Southside,

10/05/2009 12:54:27
There will be no pennies spent by me on the Scotland on Sunday, The Scotsman or The Evening News while you are still employed by the company.

You should maybe get some facts right before going to press. The Ref has commented on blood coming from the guy and the ref thinks he caught the guy himself. I don't think he was 16 either. Your style of bigotted journalism has put me right off supporting your paper through my pocket.

Well done numpty
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Cramondo,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 12:56:08
I hope this link works. It shows all cards, not just red cards. Hibs are flying high in this table. They obviously award yellow cards for flair.

http://www.splrefs.com/All-Teams/All-Teams-Cards.php?TeamID=50&TeamName=All+Teams&sort=YellowCard
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 13:20:11
#94 Not only that but a Hibs player is top of the bad boy league and Hibs got exactly the same number of cards last year.

The more I look at the article and its glaring innaccuracies and plain untruths, the more I think it was penned after a few shandies at the Sports Writers dinner that just happened and the editors were too hungover to review it.

I'd say Hearts have a case for a complaint, if not legal action, over this comment:

"In this instance, a daft Hearts fan could have denied another Scottish team a place in Europe. On another day it could have been a daft Rangers or Celtic or Hibs fan. God knows, they all have form. But Tynecastle is worse than any of them."

Is Tynecastle really the worst for fan behaviour? I'd suggest the evidence suggests it's not. I remember when the SoS was a newspaper.

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doris karloff,

10/05/2009 13:49:34
Poor deluded Jumbo's its everyone's elses fault obviously!!
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Boozy,

Leith 10/05/2009 14:08:51
Whats wrong sweetheart, why all the tears,
oh mum boohoo boohoo, the Hibs reserves beat us 1-0
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Grow up son sh!t happens, but mummy you don't understand it was Derek Riordan that scored from the spot, he sent Kello sooooooo far the wrong way, he nearly ended up in McLeod Street.
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Look stop the greeting son I've got a funny feeling that you will have to get used to it in the future. You don't understand mum when he scored he celebrated right in front of me whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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Homer S.,

Tom english's bog brush 10/05/2009 14:25:56
Rangers fans make it as far as crimewatch in a European Cup final but apparently the worst of the worst are at tynecastle ? Heaven forbid we show up the country and risk a possible 'fair play' slot.

Rules for one, rules for another. Another Ibrox lap dog.
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JasMack,

East Lothian 10/05/2009 14:28:21
Over 20 years as a DAILY Scotsman customer ended today, I will not purchase this publication again until such time as a full apology and retraction appears.

For a publication in decline to alienate a significant proportion of its own readership is bizarre beyond belief.
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macdiarmid,

10/05/2009 15:48:45
#100 Fair point about Europe this season and interesting to see how long Hearts will last which will ultimately determine if efforts have been fruitful versus money invested. Sure you can appreciate that in view of the poor season Hibs have had it is some consolation to know that in the head to head Hibs have come out on top of their historical rivals, always pleasant and helps for the summer hols. "Inferiority complex" that old chestnut again. Suspect if you are the age I think you are then comparing overall records of teams in your time as a Hearts supporter there is nothing for Hibs fans of similar age to feel inferior about.
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 15:56:08
What a disgraceful piece of journalism.

DISGRACEFUL.

I have always regarded the Scotsman and it's sunday sister paper as being the 'quality' news outlet in Scotland, devoid of the sensationalist subjective viewpoints of the tabloid rags from the west and lacking such nonsensical attacks on the great and good of the Scottish game.

This article is a new low. Rather than analyse the situation constructively, this is an outright attack. I assume that the author of this isn't a Hearts fan. Indeed, I assume that he must have always felt a level of antipathy towards Hearts that he appears to have been harbouring for a long, long time.

To tar the supporters in such a way (a third of us, yes US, I am a proud supporter of the club) as 'crazies' or 'the cast of Shaun of the Dead' (not too sure what Simon Pegg or Nick Frost did to deserve their names being used pejoratively) is utterly disgraceful. I know many fellow Hearts fans and know of very few, if any 'crazies'. Most are kids, family men or life long stoic fans. Yes, we have our rough element, but to react in such a way to two fans running onto the park and paint the entire club bad is tabloid gutter-crawling. Pathetic journalism.

I expect better from Edinburgh's press.

You have taken no time to look at the background to Hearts indiscipline, taken no time to analyse the many, many problems on and off the field of the rest of the league (please don't make me mention the elephant in the room that is the Old Firm - I cant remember many stabbings on the streets after Edinburgh Derbies), you have used this article to simply attack the club that I love, and you quite obviously hate.

Leave your personal agendas in the pub and report objectively. I used to buy your paper, and thus pay your wage. No longer, I'm not lining the pocket of a journo hack who carries such brazen and damaging, not to mention biased agendas.

I'm in no way trying to defend the actions of the fans that ran onto the park. That isn't m
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 15:59:25
...my intention. But I am trying to ensure that I don't stand a 1 in 3 chance of being branded a 'crazy', nor do I want the same fate to befall 4,000 more of my fellow and in the main well behabved Hearts fans.

Mr English, you article is completely unacceptable. Can you tell I'm angry?

Ok, true to type, I'm away to hit somebody or cause some damage to some property.

As if.
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Andrew Pattie,

10/05/2009 16:12:04
This article is a total farse, the kind of journalism you expect from the west coast gutter press.

Let's start with the headline. So who are the divers in the Hearts team? Name one Tom English because I bet you can't (or are you so ill informed you didn't know that Mikoliunas left the club last week?) Rather all you are doing is absorbing the myths about Hearts players being unsporting or being cheats (perpetuated by the likes of Craig Levein)

Next on your rant is Hearts' fans. Is there any condemnation of Hibs fan's conduct on Thursday night - eg singing songs about Wallace Mercer's death? I don't believe there is.

And surprise, surprise, there is little condemnation for Derek Riordan who ran 40 yards round the pitch to goad the Hearts fans. It was quite embarassing for a professional footballer. He is by no means blameless in this affair. In fact his level of unprofessionalism is the kind of thing you in fact would NOT see from any Hearts player.
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Hobo Harry,

10/05/2009 16:13:41
100 Talk o' the Toun, Can't help yourself can you? Try as you might to engage in intelligent conversation, you let yourself down again with insults such as braindead and 'too thick'.
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 16:21:24
77 hang your head in shame you complete muppet, typical of the lochenders mentality
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Andrew Pattie,

10/05/2009 16:21:41
#103 - I quite agree. you should fully retract your comments about "half" or "1 in 3" Hearts fans being "crazies". It is deeply offensive to the vast majority of Hearts fans that support their beloved club in the right manner and the right spirit. Don't dare tar all Hearts fans with the same brush as the 2 or 3 fans out of 16000 who invaded the pitch on Thursday. Disgrace.
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Boozy,

Leith 10/05/2009 16:28:07
#100 ToT
So the reaction of Hearts fans has nothing to do with Hibs victory, do you do bairns parties as a stand up comic. One of the nutters who invaded the pitch has already told a Court of Law that he was frustrated as he was expecting an easy victory for his side. His Solicitor said his client thought as soon as he did it 'what am I doing here' obviously one of the Jambo brain dead.
Learn to take things on the chin, life's too short.
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 16:28:54
Having re-read this article, I feel I must continue:

Tynecastle is the worst stadium in Scotland for crowd trouble. Mr English, please state me the other high profile incidents?

In my life I have attended probably 250 or more matches at Tynecastle, and can't remember any instance such as this. I can think of many more through in Glasgow.

I have never even experienced crowd trouble outside the ground, save for matches against Celtic. And that is often because fights are pre-arranged between bunches of nutters who most likely did not even attend the match.

You seem to haphazardly whizz through Hearts high number of red cards as if we are a bunch of psychos on the park too. But I can't remember a Hearts player being sent of this season for a challenge anywhere near as bad as James McArthur's up at Inverness today.

You display signs of the worst type of journalism - sweepeing generalities and a lack of proper research.

Post 105 hit the nail on the head - you've bought wholesale into the jibes and accustations aimed at Hearts by other fans as if they are fact. Like any poor journalist you have refused to look deeper and challenge these conventions. Merely, you jumped at once of the actions of two, TWO idiots actions on Thursday night (I makes that about 0.02% of the Hearts support present - an alarmingly high figure I'd agree!?) and have hung us with the collected bigoted beliefs of Hearts' detractors.
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leith keely,

edinburgh 10/05/2009 16:54:13
those of the hibernian persuasion have a cheek to lambast the hearts fans for their rather infantile "pitch invasion" derek(asbo) riordan, better known to hearts supporters as "ratboy" is a shining example to all young football fans on how to conduct ones self, just go down to the very affluent drylaw and see the pub he habitually uses and all the pillars of the community that he keeps company with in there, they actually keep a pig in the corner as an air freshener, i believe he takes his wee mate there, you know the one who attacked a hearts player in a drunken frenzy, eye, your deek makes an excellent role model.
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Comrade 22,

10/05/2009 17:02:41
I'm almost positive that if a survey was carried out Poster 112

among all living Hearts supporters to test their IQ, that it would find that nearly 50% of them would be below average intelligence for the group.

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I hope this was meant as a joke? Surely 50% of the whole of society will have an IQ below the average? Surely this is how a median is devised in the first place?

Absurdly stupid. You yourself are surely somewhere in that lower 50%.
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neil1986,

10/05/2009 17:07:05
#110 This article is unquestionalby poorly written and an unfair assessment but one thing that reallys needs to be made clear here is that it wasnt just 2 idiots on Thursday. Apart from the 2 guys who got on the pitch there were:

1) 15 ejected from the ground (5 by police 10 by stewards)
2) A coin thrown at Ian Murray
3) Hibs players not part of the match squad sitting in the stand had to be moved due to the amount of venom being directed their way.
4) Chisholm claims that Nade, who's about twice his size ran up to him on the final whistle and grabbed him by the throat

Once again, not defending the article which does seem to be a very poor generalisation against Hearts but saying it was two idiots is just plain wrong.
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Homer S.,

Barcelona 10/05/2009 17:15:01
Forza Fred. Results just in. 22 Hearts fanstested "in a row" found to have a score of 108.
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 17:17:07
117:

I agree that there was certainly afters, but I have heard varying accounts of the action that took place out of view of the cameras.

One of my friends, a retained steward for Rock Steady, who wasn't actually stewarding at the match but has had tales passed on from his colleagues who were, informed me that around 40 seats were ripped out in the away enclosure. Yet the conduct of the Hibs fans appears to be without question.

The coin throwing incident is indefensible, and I agree that this is an issue too. Also, well done to Ian Murray for not making a meal of it.

But the incident relating to the Hibs players in the stand is also open to interpretation - the account I heard of this was that the players, Colin Nish in particular, stood up when Hibs scored and turned to face the Hearts fans, openly celebrating and gesturing. Rather than be moved because some awful, howwible Hearts fans were making them feel all unsafe, they were 'asked to leave' by two of the stewards and a Hearts official. In the end the compromise of them being 'moved' was reached.

I think the moral of the story here is that Hearts have some scummy fans. And our players can misbehave. But hey, guess what? So can the fans and players of every other Scottish club.

The problem with this article is that it appears to be making out that Hearts are some sort of cancer on the otherwise lilywhite skin of Scottish football.
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macdiarmid,

10/05/2009 17:22:26
115- Take your points but think you would find that in terms of trophy success, qualification for Europe etc that over the period mentioned, which you were party to (approx 45 years in my case)the records are relevant. My point is precisely illustrated by you with your reference to last three decades of dominance which I see as selective in your overall supporter lifespan. Precisely what dominance in terms of achievement and tangible success? Over the period I have witnessed 5 trophy successes for Hibs at Hampden and a number of 2nd place finishes (splitting OF which seems to be an achievement now in many Hearts supporters eyes) as well as numerous European night (when Hearts were competing in tournaments such as the Texaco cup). I consider this compares favourabley with anything a Hearts supporter of similar years could offer, hence no inferiority here.
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Media at One,

10/05/2009 17:31:32
It is no secret that Hearts fans by and large are the most problematic in Scotland. But there is good reason for it -
Hearts FC are what we might under accomplishers. Unlike Dundee United, Aberdeen, Rangers and Celtic they cannot boast a league title in the last 30 years, they have never reached a European final and they are continuously blanketed in turmoil and uncertainty.
With standars that are to high for them to achieve, the Hearts fans regularly find themselves angry with life in general.
NOT all Hearts fans are idiotic maniacs, but far to many are -
On that note I would also say that the club cannot be blamed for the behaviour of their out of control yobs, at some stage the yobs must be held accountable for their own actions.
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Hobo Harry,

10/05/2009 17:33:53
118 Talk o' the Toun, I can't recall a single occasion when you won a debate against anybody, but if you say you did it must be true. I post so rarely now that I don't get involved in debates, I do however have fun goading the pseudo-intellectual posters here. Even that is losing it's appeal though, it's too easy.....

Har har har (just for variety)
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Comrade 22,

10/05/2009 17:34:56
123

It is no secret that Hearts fans by and large are the most problematic in Scotland.


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Really? Can you back this up with statistics? Or just your own opinions?
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Boozy,

Leith 10/05/2009 17:38:04
#118 TotT
Yes I did read English's comments, made mine at #97 as a wind up not to be taken as serious debate on said article.
PS. Your not 'Jamboy' in disguise are you?
peace brother.
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Media at One,

10/05/2009 17:42:01
Comrade

Actually yes!
Go and visit the Stratchclyde and Lothian and Borders police records surrounding football arrests per season.
You will find the most arrests occur when Hearts play Celtic at Tynecastle, which is closely followed by Hearts at home to Hibs, which is followed by Aberdeen at home to Rangers and then Hearts at home to Rangers.
This is public information that you and everyone else on this thread can check -
Hearts have a problem! The yob culture at Tynecastle is quite possibly the worst in Britain
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 17:45:15
121 but you've only won the leage cup 3 times, just how old are you to have seen Hibs win 5 trophies at Hampden?
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sheep shagger,

Aberdeen 10/05/2009 17:53:07
Excellent article. Hearts on the pitch and off it are a thouroughly nasty piece of work.

Mafia like in the boardroom, thuggish on the park and ned-like in the stands.

A little club with a very large boulder on its shoulder

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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 18:01:23
132 defunct competition, 133 go away you sad little man
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 18:01:46
A little club with a very large boulder on its shoulder

Says an Aberdeen fan - superb!

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Media at One,

10/05/2009 18:02:33
Talk o the toun

One set of fans has to the worst and Hearts fans are it -
But look, at the end of the day who has the best and the worst fans is a pathetic debate - If Hearts fans were arrested at a rate of 1000 per match but the team went on to win the league, what would it matter and who would care? Thing is, HMFC win nothing, EVER! and now also have the worst fans - ouch
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Media at One,

10/05/2009 18:05:41
comrade #22

Difference is, as I explained before.
Aberdeen and Dundee United fans support clubs who have won the league in the last 30 years and both can remember their clubs in a European final - On that basis they are well within their right to call HMFC a small club, which is why you lot have such a hard time controlling your temper - You want to be Scotland's third club but you have never won anything -
HMFC = Not very successful THROUGHOUT history
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 18:11:13
139 Isn't it bath day for your sort, hold on its not New Year yet.
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FTH22inarow,

10/05/2009 18:23:56
142 you forgot Hibernians finest.
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 18:34:29
Ok, this has sort of turned into a slagging match.

Let's not start a debate of who's fans are scummier than who's, every club has an unsavoury element. What we are getting away from is that the sort of sensationalist, opinionated and downright damaging journalism is taking our own squabbles that step further and disguising them as fact and legitimate opinion.

The author of the article should be ashamed of using his position as a columnist for a respected periodical to vent some sort of personal agenda and to create more ill feeling around what is already a pretty sordid affair.
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 18:39:43
...not even those that attacked Neil Lennon in the street?
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Comrade 22,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 18:40:16
...or indeed razed Manchester to the ground last May?
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radge dug,

10/05/2009 18:52:06
English has some valid points and some funny ones, but he does neglect to mention the numerous Hibs' players who seem to appear in court for matters not related to football. Riordain himself comes to mind.

He also seems to have forgotten Hibs' casual element. The CCS might be rarely heard of, but ask any copper and he'l regale lots of tales of violence.

And to Rangers? Hearts do have their 8-fingered unwashed morons but do they have thousands of bigots singing hate week in week out?

Not a very balanced journo here.
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Andrew Pattie,

10/05/2009 18:53:04
If Tom English demonstrated even a wafer of competence or diligence he would spend just a little bit of time to make sure his claims have some kind of factual basis. For example he could take a look at this season's disiplinary league table which does in fact show Hearts in SEVENTH place. That's right - there are only 5 teams who have accrued LESS points than Hearts and six who have accrued MORE, which puts Hearts in the right half.

http://www.covers.co.uk/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/scotland/premierleague/statistics/2008-2009/team_discipline_points.html

Or would that be too much to ask for a journalist of a broadsheet newspaper?
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my chosen name is not available...,

10/05/2009 19:02:06
#155 Not only that but Hearts weren't even top last season. However, the team that did come top is from Edinburgh and does have a name starting with "H" though so I guess it's an honest omission.

That same team appear to be flying high in the crime league this season too, and their players have kept the Edinburgh traffic police, nightclub bouncers, regular police and courts remarkably busy all year.

That same team also has the player with the most disciplinary points this season (by the way, a Hearts player isn't even in the top 8 offenders).

But, as they say, why let facts get in the way of a good old rant. A new low in Scottish football journalism for sure.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

10/05/2009 19:03:25
Bit of a pathetic debate developing right now as to who has the most neddy fans. C'mon guys give us a break eh?

I actually had a quick look at Riordan celebration on youtube and it was far from the inflammatory gesture that many have made it out to be.

BTW
Ignore Wiggy as he has no credibility after his 'proud to be a prod' rant from last night.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

10/05/2009 19:05:00
"Comrade - Rangers don't have any scummy fans."

In a day when there have been many silly posts and much wash talked, I'm willing to bet that nobody can top that.
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Bleeding Heart,

10/05/2009 19:10:44
#123 - Shouldn't you be on an OF thread? That's your usual beat, is it not?

How can any reasonable individual come up with this unsustainable, unfounded, allegation...

"It is no secret that Hearts fans by and large are the most problematic in Scotland."

Or this gem...

"You will find the most arrests occur when Hearts play Celtic at Tynecastle, which is closely followed by Hearts at home to Hibs, which is followed by Aberdeen at home to Rangers and then Hearts at home to Rangers."

Biased opinion followed by a puerile attempt to justify the same by offering spurious, meaningless, "statistics".

But you did get one thing right: "at the end of the day who has the best and the worst fans is a pathetic debate."

Quite: so WHY did you bring it up in the first place..?
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Bleeding Heart,

10/05/2009 19:29:34
#158 BB - Yes, I'd agree Riordan's celebrations on this occasion weren't too inflammatory.

However, the fact remains "Riordan didn't help the situation by choosing not to celebrate his penalty with his own supporters...but ran across to glorify the goal in front of the Hearts fans sitting in the Wheatfield stand."

I'm not excusing the fans who invaded the pitch, but I think Riordan's behaviour should also be acknowledged, and indeed punished, as the rules allow.

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ssormij,

leith 10/05/2009 19:44:59
Aye the Scotsman/Scotland on Sunday have gone right downhill now. This English guy has exactly the same mentality as Riordan. Obvious he is a Hibs supporter with little knowledge of football. Talks about the Maracana while obviously never been there. Get yerselves a sports reporter that knows something about ther game, not a would be tabloid sensationalist.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

10/05/2009 19:51:38
BH

Come on now, you say Riordan's celebrations "weren't too inflammatory" and then say he should be punished??

It's been said before, but here goes again............

yes, there was no need to celebrate in front of the Hearts support but we all know why he did it and who can honestly say that if they were given the opportunity to GIRFUY in such a satisfying way they wouldn't do the same? Kissing of badges is not outlawed, neither are there areas of the pitch you are NOT allowed to celebrate in, so why exactly should he punished?

If certain fans manage to get themselves into such a rabid state about a player and then can't take it when they get it back, well, tough.
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Bosco Bhoy68,

10/05/2009 20:20:38
To be honest guys i dont really feel that Riordan did cross the line in what would be considered a provocative celebration.

Anyway the 2 items are unrelated- the 'fan' cant get away with that but once again i will say IMHO Riordans act is the sort of thing you see Henry, Rooney and the likes do plenty of times during a season.
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Pilton D,

Pilton 10/05/2009 20:33:00
Incredible stuff this. I can't seem to remember so much vitriol only two derbies back when the wonderful Hibs shower of wee hardmen casuals attacked a busload of men, women and children on route to Easter Road to see the Hearts! Utter scum. Days upon days before it was reported, after being live on Ya Tube hours after the incident.

Tynecastle is hostile. Tynecastle is intimidating. Tynecastle has atmosphere. In short, it's full of passionate fans backing their team, the way it should be.

Don't suddenly accuse us of being in the same vain as the filth, vermin, half witted, charging around in a mob, Hibs scum.

The bus? Robbo after Mercer? Tepi almost attacked? Our seats every visit? Your pitch invasion after O'Connor's goal? Scummy wee players attacking ours in the street? Your pitch invasion on Thursday, by more fans than Hearts? Your twenty odd years off swaggering around like your hard?

The list is endless Mr English you Hibs half wit. You know it, we know it, so get a grip of yourself, yer having a laugh!

As for your hooligan record, along with the Sheep, there's a reason. You're fans are scum, but scared scum who hunt in packs attacking the few. Pretty much like Deeks and his pals, his true colours were shown though, ass flapped at a 16 year old charging towards him! The last time any of your filth really came up against a group of similar size it was Hearts fans, not casuals, but us with scarves as they tried to attack Ardmillan Hotel. We ran you a few streets before returning to enjoy our pints and a sing song!!

You see, that's the difference. We are fans, you lot are a name similar that is slang for female genitalia!! Always have been, always will be.

Last point, Heart of Midlothian are Edinburgh's team, Scotsman is ours, throughout history it has been, it's high time you numpties were emptied, then we can buy again and support Edinburgh's paper as we have since our club was formed as the Capital's Team!

The Talk of the Toun are the
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Bosco Bhoy68,

10/05/2009 20:41:45
Hibs scum, Hearts scum, Celtic scum, Rangers scum, weegie scum, scouser scum, Utd scum---Jaysus where does it all end such pathetic shoite?

Yes some people are a tad scummy but its not becuase of the team they support. Grow up eh!
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

10/05/2009 20:47:27
#169

At last! The voice of reason! Thanks for your considered, thoughtful, unbiased and not-hate-filled-whatsoever input.



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Dún Aenghus,

10/05/2009 20:50:27
#161 wiggy......Why dont you just learn how to spell the word REPUBLIC! I know it must be hard for someone who wants to be ruled by England and who wants to be "reined over" by the queen of England.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

10/05/2009 20:55:42
TotT

hehe. I did agree with most of what you said in #167 ( apart from it being unlikely he would score the winner at Tynie again ).


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fergiewergie,

10/05/2009 21:05:13
So Hearts fans behaviour during the derby was worse than Rangers fans in Manchester ? Why not mention of that ?
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Dún Aenghus,

10/05/2009 21:36:23
#176 I meant to say "rained" Like the king who rained for forty years and did not get wet!
No foreign monarch from a foreign country reigns over me.Unlike you ,I am not a second class Englishman who accepts English rule in Scotland.So! rock on peasant!
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Bleeding Heart,

10/05/2009 21:44:56
#166 GT - I don't see anything incompatible in my remarks.

It's my OPINION that Riordan's antics weren't overly-inflammatory.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that his actions represented an attempt to goad the Hearts' support.

It's not relevant that you or I might do the same: it's not relevant that other players may have been guilty of the same behaviour.

The rules empower refs to punish such behaviour, but Riordan appears to have escaped censure. I'm just wondering why this is the case..?
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Dún Aenghus,

10/05/2009 21:49:30
#180 Your subservient peasantry is an embarrassment to all people who call themselves Scots.So go now and pander to your English masters.
Peasant!
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Dún Aenghus,

10/05/2009 21:54:55
#180 It does not hurt because it does not matter!The majority of the Scottish people do not recognise the English/German mis-fits who scrounge off the Scottish taxpayers.Only an unemployed peasant like you would be silly enough to bow and scrape to the richest woman in the world.Haaa haaa haaaa! What a silly little peasant boy you are.
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Alba Abú,

10/05/2009 22:04:14
182 You have all the credentials of being a member of Scotland's Shame.Why dont you just go away and leave the thread to people who are proud of their country. Stop making a fool of yourself over the english royals.
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Dún Aenghus,

10/05/2009 22:18:51
#184 Yes! that would add up to your way of thinking.You really would try and cheat your employer,IF YOU HAD AN EMPLOYER! I think its clear that you would like to have a job to cheat on your employer but alas you are like your royal masters a tax scrounger.What I mean is,you are unemployed and unemployable!So! I will go to bed now, that I may be up early in the morning for work, to help pay your dole money.Haaaaa Haaaaaa haaaaaa! What a loser you are.
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Itchy eyes,

10/05/2009 22:19:49
Quality control tip for Tom: Come deadline day next week, before you hit the SEND key you should shout a colleage over to your screen and ask 'does this make me sound like a blinkered, bitter little man discarding impartial commentary for a chance to display my prejudices in a wave of red top-esque sensationalism? if the answer is yes then stay your finger, rewrite your copy, and you might just avoid the chop when JP next need to save a few thousand pounds.
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Big Team,

Edinburgh 10/05/2009 22:25:28
Tom English and the so called "sports" editor - hang your head in shame. What a poor, sensationalist and inflammatory article that seems to be designed to provoke rather than inform or even encourage debate. This is poor, shoddy and lazy journalism Id expect in the News of the World, the Daily Ranger or the Sun. Sort it out or you will lose Hearts supporters once and for all.
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Silence of the Yams,

10/05/2009 22:56:25
Tincastle full of scumboat fans: not really news is it, Yams?
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El Jambo,

Edinburgh 11/05/2009 02:26:02
Hearts supporters need to lighten up a bit.

The article is hilarious.

Stop taking youselves too seriously.

All the slagging of the artcle tends to prove the points made.
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Devries4,

Glasgow 11/05/2009 07:51:14
Whether there is attempted humour or not, my guess is that column will affect sales. Maybe only slightly but as a reader being put in such comparison I know it is at least one less.

Anyway I will enjoy the impending redundancy notices. Surely the writer will have similar jokes up his sleeve.
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Lenny,

11/05/2009 09:14:46
Thats one of the funniest reads I have had in a long time. Dear oh dear, Hearts really arn't a popular bunch!
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johnrebus,

Oxford Bar 11/05/2009 09:30:25

Ach well.....,

At least Sir David Murray will be pleased!

HOMOFC and all who sail in her are now officially,
'SCOTLANDS SHAME'.

Tch, tch, terrible, terrible.

Iick tock !
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sangriaboy,

malaga 11/05/2009 11:05:42
What a complete Joke the once pround HOMFC are.
Throwing coins at suspended players in the stands,fans getting floored by casper the ghost,for what reason?
Just been beaten by a team that they thought that they would beat fairly easily,for what reason I really dont know.Kris Boyd has almost scored more goals than the entire Hearts team this season and if you had asked any of their fans by 730 thur night,they were confident of scoring a barrowload against their bitter rivals.They even encourage the opposition goalie who in 2 games now at tynecastle has looked totally unbeatable and his only crime has to lose a header from 3 yrds out from velica.
This club with no money,not being able to replace their quaility players in the summer,I see though times ahead,and as for their moronic fans,its just going to get worse.
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Sedov,

11/05/2009 12:27:47
Oh dear! some Hearts fans swore at Mr English probably mistaken him for a journalist.

He should be sent to live in Motherwell for writing such a crass article.

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Pierre,

Edinburgh 11/05/2009 15:17:32
Oh deary, deary me Mr. English. You're obviously a very bitter and twisted individual, but you've made a humungous mistake writing this stuff.
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Jamboree1902,

Penicuik 11/05/2009 16:04:34
Tut tut Mr English. Whilst not condoning the behaviour of certain sections of the Hearts support, and in particular at the Hibs game, to suggest that we are the worst culprits is quite simply beyond belief.

It may be that Tynecastle is the only ground in Scotland where most of the undesireables sit immediately below the press box (where I have sat for the last 3 seasons)but maybe Mr English should try sitting in the away end at Ibrox or Parkhead one week? While he stuffs his face with freebies round the country and sits with the digniteries in most of the grounds, it would appear that he is not enthusiastic at sitting with the more earthy supporters in Gorgie.

I know this may come as a bit of a shock for a journalist, but it's actually sometimes useful to do a bit of research before writing and article.

Another SoS reader down.
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lou1998,

DUNFERMLINE 11/05/2009 20:46:04
A quite incredible article.

Yes There was a one or two unsavoury incidents in the Hearts end,but in no way did anything occur that has not occurred at Parkhead,Ibrox or Easter Road.

Mr English???? quite obviously is trying to make a name for himself in journalism by jumping on the anti Hearts bandwagon and has only succeeding in needlessly insulting thousands of decent Hearts fans.

Is he going to write an article regarding Hibs fans singing sick songs aboutnd child abuse or the OF's sectarian bile,and if so would Scotsman publications print it??
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Rolland,

11/05/2009 22:38:14
Well I have report Ratboy to L&B and expect they will be investigation the little pond life.

He should be collared for his actions, total disgrace, brings the game. Hopefully the SFA will see fit to hand him a lengthly ban as well.

Looks like ratboy will be doing jail time so agree with the poster above that it will be unlikely for ratboy to score the winner again.
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Davido,

12/05/2009 12:04:30
A very true and accurate article about a rather repugtnant little club.

Well done Mr English.
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Bleeding Heart,

12/05/2009 21:25:48
#201 "Davido": smug(o) pr*ck(o)
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Parsons,

17/05/2009 01:39:47
hearts are a joke but that article is harsh!!!
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Alan gordon with #7,

21/06/2009 19:48:43
#163 Rolland

Brilliant

What have you reported him for?

Officer, ratboy scored at the pbs and celebrated in front of me................

Would have loved to have been there to hear that 1

So bitter, so twisted, so full of selective memories and so full of thugs

 

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