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Published Date: 25 April 2009
THE days of grand ambition are long gone. The garbled rambles are a thing of the past.
Vladimir Romanov may have begun life as Hearts' majority shareholder by sharing his dreams of Champions League glory, but for some time now he has harboured aims more modest and mundane. At his behest, senior figures at Tynecastle have stressed the need to develop young players rather than buying big names, and to chip away at a debt which had grown out of all scale with the club's size.

The more worrying the global economic outlook became, the more that policy made sense. And Hearts began to back up their words with actions such as slowly but surely cutting down on the size of their squad.

Most importantly, in the year which ended on 31 July 2008 – the period for which the club issued its annual accounts yesterday – the financial picture was improved by player transfers and a debt-for-equity issue. Craig Gordon went to Sunderland and Roman Bednar joined West Bromwich Albion for a combined sum of just under £10 million. The debt-for-equity agreement between the club and its parent company Ukio Bankas Investment Group (Ubig) raised £12m.

This total of £22m is close to two-thirds of the club's debt as it stood at the end of the previous year: £36.249m. And, with a far tighter grip on expenditure supposedly being taken, it was reasonable to expect the £22m to have a massive effect on the closing debt.

Instead, that debt, as disclosed yesterday in the accounts, is now £30.477m. That is indeed smaller than it was, allowing Hearts to claim that their figures are moving in the right direction. "The club reported positive progress in its aim of returning to profitability over the mid to long term," read a statement on Hearts' official website, www.hearts.fc.co.uk.

But record transfers are not achieved every year. Nor, however benevolent Ubig might be, are debt-for-equity transfers. It was reasonable to expect those two events to knock a far bigger dent in the club's closing debt than they did.

Of course, some unexpected expenditure can occur, and it would be naive to presume that the full £22m would come off Hearts' debt. But it also seems reasonable to have hoped that it would have had more effect on the bottom line than it has.

Granted, last season was a poor one for Hearts: they finished eighth in the SPL, and turnover was down as a result. But the fall was little more than £1m.

Staff costs and other operating costs remain far too high. And the number of employees has actually gone up.

The result is a club which relies, more than ever, on the continuing goodwill of its parent company. In that respect, the note on page 13 of the report, under the heading "Going concern", will be of reassurance at least to Hearts supporters. The note reads: "The directors have received written confirmation from the directors of Ubig that it will provide sufficient funding to enable the company to meet its liabilities as they fall due in the foreseeable future."

All well and good. But that is the very minimum required. If you have a debt of £30m you absolutely need your parent company to keep providing its backing. Lose that and the trapdoor opens beneath your feet.

It has been maintained by some that there is no danger of such a fate befalling Hearts; that Romanov and Ubig will continue to provide for the club, like doting parents with a spendthrift son. And, despite repeated suggestions over the past year and a bit that Romanov has lost at least some of his enthusiasm for Hearts, every indication is that Ubig wants to keep hold of the club. But desire is not the same as capacity. What you want is not always possible.

As part of their auditing of Hearts' accounts, the Edinburgh firm Johnston Carmichael sought to obtain evidence that Ubig was able to meet its commitments. It did not receive all the evidence it required, and therefore included an important caveat in its report.

"Information that may have enabled us to conclude as to whether Ubig is able to meet its commitment to provide to enable the company to meet its liabilities . . . . was not made available to us," it states on page 6. "Had this information been available, we might have formed a different opinion."

There is no suggestion that Ubig cannot meet its commitments: just that, for whatever reason, it did not offer evidence of its ability to do so. If you have absolute trust in Romanov and his associates, you will be untroubled by that. Those of a more sceptical bent, on the other hand, may wonder why Ubig did not provide the figures to back up its words of support.

There is no doubting Hearts' aim of growing as a club and cutting back on their debts. "Despite the current challenging economic climate, the club views the outlook with cautious optimism based on a continued focus on increasing efficiency by lowering costs, improving results on the field and attracting further commercial partnerships," a spokesman said.

Results on the field have certainly improved since the period dealt with by the report, and the positive impact made by Csaba Laszlo since he took over as manager last summer is duly noted. The sale of Christophe Berra to Wolves is noted there too, and that will make a positive contribution to the next set of figures.

But it's hard to see the improvement in results and income making a huge difference to a club so deep in the red. Indeed, it is difficult to see any means by which Hearts could trade their way out of debt – short, of course, of realising that apparently abandoned dream of claiming the Champions League trophy itself.

The auditors said: "The evidence available to us was limited because information that may have enabled us to conclude whether Ubig is able to meet its financial commitment to provide sufficient funding to enable the company to meet its liabilities as they fall due for the foreseeable future was not made available to us."

Johnston Carmichael's statement to the accounts added: "We have not obtained all the information and explanations that we considered necessary for the purpose of our audit."

Hearts claim such matters are merely due to a lack of obligation on behalf of Ubig to supply audited accounts. Club officials are similarly relaxed regarding an ongoing investigation being carried out by HM Revenue and Customs, which they say is routine and close to conclusion. The debt for equity swap, the report claims, will lead to a £600,000 reduction in interest payments in the present year. In 2008, a total of £2.25m was paid out in interest, a £400,000 rise from the previous term.

Plans remain afoot to redevelop Tynecastle, say Hearts, despite such exorbitant outgoings. When the plan was first announced it was estimated the redevelopment would cost £50m. The club are hopeful of work beginning next year and having a new main stand completed by the onset of the 2011/12 season. Despite what had initially been regarded as a short-term arrangement, Ukio Bankas will continue their shirt sponsorship of Hearts next season, therefore taking it into a fourth year.

A report in Lithuania, meanwhile, claims the Hearts winger Saulius Mikoliunas is engaged in a wage dispute with the club and is attempting to cancel his contract. Mikoliunas has returned to his home country for a break and has said he will not return unless paid money owed to him.

"If they don't pay up I of course won't return to Edinburgh," Mikoliunas told Futbolas. "At this point it all depends on Mr Romanov. I haven't thought yet where I will play next."

Serjegus Fedotovas, a Lithuania-based Hearts director, responded: "The player failed to win a place in the first team. He also got involved with bad reputation agents, was unmotivated, and did not want to play. Taking into consideration that he seldom plays he's not useful for the club and that about covers it."

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Reversible velour,

In hysterics. 25/04/2009 00:57:23
"Information that may have enabled us to conclude as to whether Ubig is able to meet its commitment to provide to enable the company to meet its liabilities . . . . was not made available to us," it states on page 6. "Had this information been available, we might have formed a different opinion."

Auditor not provided with all the information and an HMRC investigation underway to boot.

Yup, things are looking up at Swiney.

2

The Future's Maroon,

Edinburgh 25/04/2009 01:36:54
Would the author of this 'story' be willing to post on this comment section - i.e in public?

Or, as stated in the Terms and Conditions when signing up to use this function, use my email address to please contact me so we can discuss this matter further.
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SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

25/04/2009 01:41:00
Surely some mistake.

The Jambonomists have been reassuring the Hobos for ages that the debt would be under £20 Million by April '09.

They can't possibly be wrong, after all they support a big club.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 25/04/2009 01:55:51
All that the real Hearts fans can do is to buy there season tickets now and look forward.
We can all look and talk about what could happen but the only thing we can do is to support the club.Vlads the only game in town just now so we have to cross our fingers be positive.
There are going to be loads of clubs up and down the country with the same probs.
So If you post on here and you attach yourself to the club in any way get your season tickets now and back Csaba and Hearts to the hilt.
Owners come and go over the years the fans should be for life lets prove it.The choice is stark for us support the club,we can come through this and we will come through this come hell or high water.
JT for life.
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 25/04/2009 01:57:23
Romanov:

1. Annual £10M transfer budget
2. Levein will stay
3. No debt by 2005
4. "World class manager" - Rix
5. "We will sign two World Cup stars"
6. "Tynecastle will be redeveloped"
6

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

25/04/2009 02:08:44
"There are going to be loads of clubs up and down the country with the same probs"

If you class your problem as £30 milion debt and you class your country as Scotland, then you will find that in fact Hearts are unique as opposed to "loads of clubs"
Face facts man !
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r1niceboy,

Nebraska, via Polwarth 25/04/2009 04:38:01
It was 36 mill, it's now 30 mill, and we're not noticeably better off for talent, but not terrible.

Heading in the right direction, but crawling there. For every good foreign player brought in, six were duffers, but all commanded a wage due to SPL stars, not Journeymen.

Aguiar, Karypidis, deserve good wages, because they deliver. I hope they're signed up again. Fyssas delivered, but too many other haven't. That's why were at 30 mill and not at 25.

We have a spectacular youth academy. It should pay off for a long time to come. In vest in that instead of in mercenary (hic) talent. Watch us thrive. watch us make a profit.
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Cammy,

Edinburgh 25/04/2009 04:42:53
If a club makes over 22m in transfers and debt equity, but can only reduce it's overall debt by 6m, then you have to ask questions.

Unfortunately no one is there to answer them and so this game goes on. Even the most blinkered Hearts fan must surely see that something very strange is going on here.

The auditors have had to include a disclaimer statement regarding the parent company refusing to provide financial information. Even though the audit report is for their own "asset".

God only know were all the money has gone, but I imagine that "someone" might have found a home for it.

Still, as they mantra goes "move along, nothing to see here".

If Carlsberg made farces.......

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NBJT,

North Berwick 25/04/2009 06:37:54
*8 You need a big reality check!!!

You appear brainwashed by the anti Vlad media!!!!

The 22m does not just get substacted from the original amount! There are still huge running costs, that the club have admitted are wrong, that also need to be paid.

VR is a very, very rich person (despite the credit crunch) and he is committed to the Hearts. Many will not like this statement but he would have walked by now if he was not committed!!!

108 years in a row!
10

Corrupt to the core,

25/04/2009 06:50:35
9. I think he will be....committed...eventually. For goodness sake man it's you who needs the reality check. Would you be interested in buying some magic beans?
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NBJT,

North Berwick 25/04/2009 07:20:49
*10 The debt was over 20m when VR bought Hearts. He was the only show in town!

He is here for the long term. The emphasis here is on the words long term!!

As I said if he was not interested he would have walked!!!

Relax and try and look beyond the anti Vlad hating media!!!!

Now come on Scotsman how about a story regarding Rangers finances or any other SPL club. Yes and I include Hibs, just how is TF faring these days? I have heard not so good!

108 years in a row!!!
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mixu62,

Sunny Leith 25/04/2009 07:33:47
#11 From down here in Sunny Leith it is indeed looking health - U19 tile won, Mixu's team gelling, and the club signing up sponsors and commercial deals in middle of recession. Meantime down in the mad one's land HMFC are like his bank SINKING
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Hibby Heapy,

25/04/2009 07:42:54
#9 you state that "VR is a very, very rich person (despite the credit crunch) and he is committed to the Hearts". I would say that a personal wealth of £25m (Forbes Rich list) make him a comfortable Millionaire, nothing more.

As for the reduction in debt, this is indeed good news. But consider this: Talking into account JUST the transfers out. You made around £10m. However a reduction of just £6m leaves a balance of £4m going into a "black hole"

Without this money, the debt would have increased from £36m to £42m. Think about it, your club is trading as insolvent, and as such is in breach of UK business law.

Add to this the HMCE investigation, which is of course just "routine" (HMCE don’t do “routine” investigations) and the lack of information that may have enabled the auditors to conclude whether "Ubig is able to meet its financial commitment to provide sufficient funding to enable the company to meet its liabilities as they fall due for the foreseeable future" and the future is not looking rosy if things go from bad to worse in the money markets.

This is a distinct possibility as Ubig's shares we're reclassified as "next to Junk" by the money markets within the last month

I hope that the Jambo’s are around for a long time, but if the “Trap door” opens, then unfortunately you will be dead in the water.
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The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 07:49:57
Why do Hearts bother to publish accounts.


The state of affairs is clear enough without them
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hibbydoug,

edinburgh 25/04/2009 07:54:59
North Berwick man -you need to stop defending Vlad as you must see that he does not want to provide the financial state of UBIG to be found out. I think Vlad is skint as the aluminium world has crashed and that is where he has invested most of his cash, you better believe that Vlad is using Hearts as a cash cow and the Gordon money etc is keep[mg UBIG afloat. Bad times for the Yams wirh owners that are SKINT.
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The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 07:59:36
Has no one picked up on the new accounting rules.

The directors now have to make a statement regarding going concern, and how they will deal with it.

This shifts a larger legal responsibility to them.

Those that can't/don't make it as saying "not my problem, mate"


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walkie,

Milan 25/04/2009 08:36:55
Vlad is not worried in the slightest his bank is kaput, the hertz are kaput, birac is kaput, as long as the RRevolution reversible satin jackets are selling like hotcakes they will be fine. You can't walk down any street here without seeing loads of them. Come on jambos save your club and wear your jackets with pride, snigger.
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The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 08:46:11
Hope that the Hearts players take a look in the mirror and cuff Celtic in the last game
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FTH22inarow,

25/04/2009 08:55:39
These figs are from a year ago Hobosman, to be honest I wouldn't lose any sleep if we lost every player on our books, anyway just how are the green eyed buttybhoys from leith doing this season
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NBJT,

North Berwick 25/04/2009 08:57:10
*16 Hearts a 'Cash Cow'!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can hardly type for laughing!!!

You Hibby's should really concentrate on your own troubles. However, I accept that you really have nothing else to talk about because of the antics of the 'wee team'!

Now since you have nothing beter to do than add silly comments to this thread please tell me where all the Old Firm money you have earned as being the feeder club to both the Bigot Brothers has gone?

Oh and when did you last win the Scottish Cup?

108 years in a row!
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All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 25/04/2009 09:03:10
Debt or no debt - one thing is always unquestionable.

Knocking Hibs out the ball park when it comes to football.

Best to remember these accounts run to July last year as well.

All big earners will be out the door in the summer imo with a trimmer, leaner squad going into 09/10.

Meanwhile, Hibs have reduced their debts dramatically and yet, they still have to ship out anything half decent every year. Something not adding up there.

I feel the gap getting widening already.....
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Phil Lawrence,

Tallinn 25/04/2009 09:03:51
Good to see that the debt is coming down but the basic mathematics are a £6M reduction in debt permitted by one-time incomings of £22M. That means that £16M of the extraordinary income was needed just to balance the books beyond the regular turnover of the club in that one tax year.

Where will the cash injection, debt swap or whatever accounting sleight of hand come from in next year's books?

Contrary to all the unbridled optimism coming from HMFC fans in this and other forums these accounts create many more questions than they can substantially answer.

Before I am accused of Hobonomics or similar I can assure all that I am an Aberdeen fan with an affection for BOTH Edinburgh clubs due to being a regular visitor to both grounds in the 1980s when I spent a great deal of time in Edinburgh in the company of a Hibs fan who would attend Tynecastle with his Hearts mates and vice versa - real football fans.
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The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 09:10:57
The Hearts debt does interst me.

You owe money to yourself.


Oh, private equity.


But wait, debt is traded on the secondary market


We can cut a deal here.


But, wait again.... This was never a pick up and pay out deal. Was it?


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Giuseppe Tortolano,

25/04/2009 10:17:41
#23

Phil - I'm afraid you're wasting your time, muck. Pick one of the following:

- It's alright, we owe the money to ourselves.

- Moving in the right direction.

- What's it got to do with you?

- erm, Hibs haven't won the cup for 108 years.

See - nae problem!

The fact that Hearts effectively had an operating loss of £16M is neither here nor there, apparently........

#21

Please explain "You Hibby's ( sic ) should really concentrate on your own troubles."

Erm, we've got an inept manager and erm, nope, that's it.


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willieb,

25/04/2009 10:21:26
#5 Romanov
I will sign the best manager in the world.

CSABA LASZLO.

CMON THE MIGHTY JAM TARTS.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 10:21:34
I guess it's all how you look at it:

I see...

- debt reducing when previously it was going up
- wages reducing when previously they were going up
- a manager managing the team when once we had no-one
- players playing for the jersey when they previously couldn't care less
- young players breaking through when previously they were blocked
- wage-sucking Kaunas loanees trying to cancel their contracts when once they were happy to take the money and contribute little
- a team going up the way when previously it was going down
- crowds going up when they were previously going down
- we'll play Euro games at Tynie when previously it was Murrayfield

Until someone with more financial nous than unemployed Hibs fans desperate to feel better about themselves and football journalists gives me a full explanation of the accounts, I'll settle for looking on the brightside of things.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 10:24:45
#25 "Erm, we've got an inept manager and erm, nope, that's it."

No you also have an enormous chip on your shoulder.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

25/04/2009 10:28:52
28

How's that then, George?
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 10:31:21
#29 Look it up - it's kind of a defining character trait of a large number of Hibs fans these days.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

25/04/2009 10:52:26
You'll still need to try and explain how I've got a chip on my shoulder, I'm afraid.

Are you still on the waiting list for that sense of humour transplant? It's been a while now.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 11:02:44
#31 You and many Hibbees harbour grievances about Hearts as you believe we are only above you because we spend more money (conveniently ignoring the similar sized support bases and the fact that Hibs also have a recent history of spending way beyond their means) and take any opportunity to display them.

You also think we are arrogant in dismissing Hibs as serious rivals, conveniently ignoring your terrible derby record and long recent history of consistently finishing behind us in the league.

You also didn't like how Hearts fans got carried away when Romanov took over and we had a sniff of some decent success, conveniently ignoring the fact that that's just typical football fan behaviour and that Hibs fans are no different (the fuss over being top of the league for one day under Collins and the "Leith San Siro" Mowbray season anyone?)

The level of interest in Hearts from Hibs fans is unusual and hard to understand - so that's my take on the reasons for it.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 11:07:09
#31 As for the sense of humour transplant quip. All Jambos need a sense of humour to follow our team - particularly the ones who experienced 1986 - as it would be a nightmare otherwise. As someone so interested in all things Hearts I thought you would have known that?
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Jambo-ree,

25/04/2009 11:16:05
I'll make the same point as I made yesterday on this subject and that is that these accounts are for the year ended 31.07.08. We're now 9 months into the 'new' financial year and therefore the board will have a reasonable view of how effective their cost cutting measures have been and that is why they are viewing the future with cautious optimism.

Debt for equity swap didn't take place until 31.07.08 but since then has been saving £600k in interest repayments, we've shipped out several high earners so bit by bit we're getting there.

Also if you read the official statement carefully they talk only of redeveloping the stand within (that's the important word) within the current planning application. I read that as meaning rebuilding the stand and not necessarily the rest of full development and that this is subject to funding. So no fully green light there then.

Recent reports tell us the recession has bottomed out. We've made it this far so just need to keep it going.

"Cautiously optimistic" is the key phrase.
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busbyfh,

25/04/2009 11:25:11
Players wages are less than they were - rightly so - BUT WHERE ARE THE NAMES OF THE EARNERS OUTWITH THE PLAYERS - SUDDENLY THAT HAS JUMPED WAY UP.
NERO
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 11:26:35
#34 That's my take on it. I was dissappointed we weren't closer to 28m which I thought was a reasonable prediction. But do we know all the Gordon money is in, given the club gets 300 grand today and has stated more payments are in the pipeline?

And if we were in really deep doodoo, the club would have sold Driver and others in the Jan window for whatever we could get instead of rejecting offers, and certainly wouldn't have signed Black and handed out contracts to the likes of MacDonald and Ballogh.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

25/04/2009 11:35:53
George

I'll respond to your points one at a time, if i may:

You are above us because you have good manager, not an eejit.

Derby record - unable to beat us in the league this season and, from memory, in the 10 seasons since Hibs were promoted I think Hearts have only won 2 more games in all competitions. Not really that impressive.

Hearts fans DID get over-excited about Romanov - no question. I'll give you the fact that it's just typical fan behaviour, difference is "Leith San Siro" is irony - you're lot actually believed it.

And granted, some fans do seem more interested in the opposition than their own teams, but the same on both sides you'll find.


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jon doe,

25/04/2009 11:39:47
These accounts are for 2007-08, so many know it alls said wouldnt have the transfers of Gordon Or Bednar or in fact the true loses.

Erm yes they do add up there are no missing millions or money in VRs pockets, in fact he has made loses investing in Hearts if this is the return £650,000 its not a lot.

The accounts for 2008-09 will include many of the cut backs that have reduced costs this season.

Hearts were in dire straits before VR or Ubig came on the scene , to suggest that they actualy make a profit out of Hearts right now is top class comedy.

I will wait for the final year of VRs 5 years plans for HMFC

The debt of £18M the PieMan created is part of the debt serviced by that £650,000 a year windfall for UBIG group.

£30.48m suddenly becomes £12.48m , hey presto the missing millions appear in paying over the odds wages an transfers = £6M over 4 years.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 11:43:43
#37 And in the 25-odd seasons since Hearts were promoted? We can all be selective with dates. The majority of Hearts fans tend to be confident about derby games without really thinking about it simply because most of us lived through a 4 or 5 season long unbeaten run and saw you relegated once and narrowly escape relegation a couple of other times - that's different from arrogance. I remember being in compete shock when you finally beat us after that run. I've been less confident in the last two seasons if that helps.

I maintain Hibs fans take their obsession with Hearts beyond the usual rivalry and into more unhealthy territory to the extent of pouring over the accounts and reading the club's website. What is it - 4 or 5 years now of "yous are going into admin next week"?
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 11:45:11
#37 Ps "You are above us because you have good manager, not an eejit." Funny how that excuse applies only to Hibs. This is the first time in two or three seasons we've had a good manager yet I don't remember being allowed to use that as an excuse.
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Laird O'Gorgie,

25/04/2009 11:46:14
Far to much drivel written by people who barely understand how to run a business. That about sums up the majority of posters and the author of this article.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

25/04/2009 11:47:12
Also, I'd reckon that the reason so many Hibs fans have shown a ( sometimes unhealthy ) interest in Hearts recently is that it's been so bloody fascinating watching the shennanigans at Tynie over the last few years. In comparison there's not really been that much to talk about down ER recently, apart from mixu's a complete buffoon.
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

25/04/2009 11:48:17
40

It's not an excuse, it's a reason.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 11:51:52
#43 Well then we have a great reason for finishing 8th last season don't we - in fact we had a bout three eejits managing our team.

And who appointed your eejit after letting two good managers escape - both citing lack of ambition -and continues to back him? That would be the people running your club - the best run in the land we are led to believe. Turn your solid financial platform into a consistent challenge for once and I'll believe you.
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jon doe,

25/04/2009 11:53:14
Hibs have no Equity
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busbyfh,

25/04/2009 12:03:27
# 34 At last - someone that is basically correct and is not taken in by the fabrication that is being implied that Vlad is going to go through with the "grand plans" We cannot demolish then rebuild the old stand. Forget planning applications - they have been dealt with sympathetically (shocked the hell out of me) It is for safety reasons that we cannot build - we may be allowed to adjust/amend/improve on what is there - but we cannot build a NEW construction from scratch. Because regulations cannot now be met due to neighbours dangerous materials - per the Scotsman a year ago (Hearts blew the chance to sort this out last summer)only retail can be built - so from the glass half full point of view - NO FLATS can be built. Pointless Vlad selling the ground when a profit can no longer be made. That itself is good news - Players/manager we have and youngsters that are coming through - more good news. Vlad making contracts an earn as we succeed type - more good news (sorts out the non triers of which we have had many) Accounts/figures just released - not so good news - Something rotten in the - you know the rest. AGM will be interesting. ALL clubs should hand out contracts that offer big bucks only for success - not guaranteed large salaries whether win or lose - that encourages wasters. Been saying this for years. At last - well done Vlad.This is what will be the future for nearly all - about time.
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jon doe,

25/04/2009 12:03:31
In seeing as im on a rant

It used to be £750,000 a year to service the debt to Ubig, in fact it was VR that pitched the deal saving Hearts £100,000 also changed the wage structure to monthly payments saving Hearts unessaesary expense.

Im totaly cheesed off with the rubbish on here for months.


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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 12:22:37
#47 - "Im totaly cheesed off with the rubbish on here for months."

Just think of the events at our club as providing care in the community in the form of giving Hibs fans with empty lives something to read and get all excited about. It's the least we can do in return for them lying down in derbies so often.
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jon doe,

25/04/2009 12:33:37
I dont like Thiefs Liars ,i dont mind the Hobs i said before well done for making top 6.i love the City an means another Derby either side are capable of winning, us Jambos have 3rd place in our minds.I want both sides in the Europa cup i`m not here to dis folk but reading the dross on here for last year at the least sickens me.

Most of it came from Jambos who slagged off the side the owner everything, on top of it you have the others who rant on about administration thats possible for many sides around the world.Not just Hearts because we have VR we also have equity and teh saftey net of a group of companies and small share holders.
Damn it peopel think Hearts have to have world class players bought that leads us into deeper debt, so VR says No we have the Academy. He tries out different coaches etc and doesnt seem to see that they bring anything to the show, now he sees Scaba who has chanegd everything from top to bottom including the training methods of all HMFC sides at Riccarton.
This isnt good enough got some No No moan moan moan moan moan.The Academy is now producing on all levels.
Also the £300,000 windfall from the 50th appearence of CG goes to teh Academy as part of the deal.

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jon doe,

25/04/2009 12:53:53
This is controversial to some .


Scaba should be on the list of Manager of teh season we all know it.

But what about Mixu ( Orvil )Hobs should be given credit for having such a muppet as Manager and making top 6.Or should he also be up for Manager of the season ?
50

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 13:17:58
So, Hearts are finished.


Unlike the splendid date I had this evening with Susan Boyd's sister. The singing bit was OK...

Yes, you can't keep me down


Is Miller a starter
51

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 25/04/2009 13:33:51
Please can a shareholder give us an idea of where the increased costs have come from?

£11m on wages but by my reckoning there is at least another £10m, what do the accounts tell us about these costs?
52

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/04/2009 13:41:21
#52 Costs decreased during the period covered by the accounts, although you wouldn't know if from reading this article which is long on speculation and short on solid analysis. Costs have decreased even more during the year not covered by the accounts.
53

Roscoe P Coltrane,

25/04/2009 16:00:24
Hey y'all - don't make the mistake of basing your doomsday scenarios only on the figures that the Scotsman have given us, anybody who knows the first thing about understanding a set of accounts will know most of the figures they've given don't tell us anything on their own.

If analysing the stability (or otherwise) of a business was as easy as taking the turnover and liabilities figures and saying "aye well that's more than that, so they're effed" then we'd all be getting paid the same as Auditors. There's a reason it takes years to train. Plus, these figures are now almost a year out of date.

Not that I'm suggesting for one second that the Scotsman would try and spin a Hearts story so it was negative, the've never, ever, ever done that before......
54

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 16:03:32
Rangers on fire...


Here we go...
55

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 16:08:37
Dalglish going back to Liverpool.


Not sure that is a good move for the club.


Not a real Pool man
56

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 17:08:13
If Man U lose today, the title goes on the Liverpool open top bus.
57

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 17:23:16
50 Scottish Cup finals. A world record
58

Daillyman,

25/04/2009 17:49:02
56 bto

As a player KD had 8 years at CFC and 13 years at LFC, how is he not a real Pool man?

Think MnUtd win the title again.
59

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 17:51:11
Dailly


Watching the game.

ManU might get a point, but won't win this one.
60

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 17:53:26
KD made his choices early on.

If you want to be a Liverpool player you have to born loving the club.


A wee move there just to get some dosh it not the same thing
61

Daillyman,

25/04/2009 18:02:05
Were Shankley, Yeats, StJohn, Keegan, Rush etc etc all born Liverpool supporters.

KD had a great career both in Scotland and more so in England with the honours won. I doubt you will get any Pool supporter saying he was not a true Liverpool player.

Has the sake got you in windup mode today?
62

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:14:37
Dailly

Just after I posted Spurs score twice.


Yeats was a Dundee man, I think.

Born in Liverpool, though.


The title is in sight.
63

GHYIUI,

RTRY 25/04/2009 18:19:46

Just after I posted Spurs score twicehttp://www.nowgoal.com/27.shtml
64

GHYIUI,

GHGH 25/04/2009 18:20:45
Just after I posted Spurs score twice!!
[URL=http://www.nowgoal.com/27.shtml]SOCCERLIVE[/URL]
65

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:20:58
Yeats was signed by Shanly without him watching him play.


Need a big centre half he said, and the scouts found Yeats.

Still in the army team, at that time.


Playing part-time for DU, maybe.

Have to run all the facts by Swordsman, but I think most are OK
66

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:24:15
Liverpool should sign Craig Gordon
67

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:26:15
Why is it easy not to like Ronaldo and hope every free kick goes ...well.... somewhere...
68

Daillyman,

25/04/2009 18:44:52
63 bto

Yeats was born in Aberdeen signed for United then to Liverpool, and capped twice for Scotland. He was awarded honorary Liverpudlian status by the towns mayor.
69

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:48:40
Anyone know the rules.


ManU game. keeper clearly place the ball but the striker falls over his arms after.


Penalty ManU

And a yellow card for the keeper.


Moscow rules?
70

Daillyman,

25/04/2009 18:49:50
Is Brines the referee?
71

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:51:19
Dailly

I remember seeing a TV chat show whith Yeats talking about Shankly and saying, son, aye you're big enough, now just try this on....
72

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:53:42
Dailly

It's no penalty or a red.


As far as I know, there is no other call for the ref.

But as I say that it is 2-2.

Ref, sorry to say so, but poor job
73

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 18:54:39
3-2

And the ref drives home in his new car
74

Daillyman,

25/04/2009 19:18:42
Only one team in the match the 2nd half, could have been 8-2.
75

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 19:23:22
Dailly

Yes, but the penalty call turned the game
76

Shape to Shoot,

25/04/2009 19:37:52
Easy win for the rangers in the end...but at what price ? Mendes will need to sweat for 24 hours before the damage can be assessed.

And Bougherra has said that if rangers don't win the title, he'll leave them in the summer....many rearrangerz fanz 'phoned superscoreboard complaining that there was no story in bougherra's announcement and the media were just making a story out of nothing.

Without Mendes, will rangers complete the run-in with Edu and Dailly in the middle ?

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25/04/2009 20:29:46
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Shape to Shoot,

25/04/2009 20:53:16
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Well, rangers breezed through today pretty much, but then again it was a bottom 6 club. Against hibs, the only (barely) top 6 club rangers have played recently, it was a lot more touch and go...and without mendes, I would have thought Rangers all the poorer for it.

Davis is a good player, but has is there much quality left to accompany him in the middle ? By rights, Edu should have been given a straight red today for violent conduct...if that's how he behaves when rangers are cruising against Saint Mirren, what will he be like in the cauldron of the last 5 spl matches...his violent reaction won't have gone unnoticed by players keen to wind him up (doesn't look like it takes very much).

If Mendes is out, I think that neutralises the absence of brown more or less....Brown is a far better player, but mendes does have a bit of quality which none of his likely replacements can match.
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The new waspy,

25/04/2009 20:56:36
Who gives a monkeys about you smelly wegies invading a post that has nothing at all to do with you.
Bit sad really as you had been banned enmass for your bigotry and bile and creep in under the back door like the rats you are.
80

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 22:13:16
Ferguson and calf injury.

Shank;y once said when he was told that E. Hughes had a calf injury and might be out for while, why can't they keep their family problems out of this. This is football.
81

The Kids Are Alright,

25/04/2009 22:15:54
Today's Shanks.

Who would it be?


Sir Walter is the closest.


"sleeps in his tracksuit" WGS doesnae get to the kettle.
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25/04/2009 22:34:42
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25/04/2009 22:41:09
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postcode atlas,

25/04/2009 22:48:19
`n ah`ll tell ye anouther thing.

See that Emu he`s a big diddie.

Not only that he`s got no self control.

He should have been straight red carded for striking the Saint Mirren player on the jaw with his left fist.
If he could play fitba you`d say....hmmm maybeez let him aff way the fightin.

But Emu cannae play.

If the ref had done his job as his profession demands then Rearrangerz, down to 10 men, would have made for a decent game.
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postcode atlas,

25/04/2009 23:07:09
As for Boydthebenchs 100th.

No one knowz better than Boydthebench that "Walter" and Rearrangerz did everything in their power to ensure that that landmark scoring record would never happen.

I know it,you know,a`body knows it.

Including Boydthebench.


Sad.
Isn`t it.
86

Daillyman,

25/04/2009 23:08:09
79

Patrick you mention the quality or lack of, regarding two teams RFC have beaten recently. Care to remind us how you fared against the Saints in the cup and Hibs in the league.

For all the quality that the tic supposedly have you lead the league by a staggering ONE POINT.

What an accomplishment for a team with a payroll of roughly 40mil, I can see why you are so optimistic.
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postcode atlas,

25/04/2009 23:10:11
"Walter" can take no credit for todays result.


"Walter" diznae pick cup teamz.

Jesterz yer man.

BAW HAW NAW hanhanhan....hahahahaha.....thrpppp.....KAK...
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Daillyman,

25/04/2009 23:15:27
83

There is a central defender at the tic who has been sitting in the stand for 2 1/2 seasons collecting 30k a week. Bobo is lonely now as his mate Graveson who was on 40k or so we were told, took a nice payoff and a loyalty bonus to boot.

Maybe after collecting a fortune from the tic, Balde might sign for the Gers for 10k a week this close season, it would save him selling his house.
89

The Kids Are Alright,

26/04/2009 01:02:04
Yes, I think Sir Ally, the player who took the Eagle so many times we need someome with a big heid to keep count, is picking the team of late.


I imagine that's why Rangers has that "attacking and goal scroing " look to it these days.


Sir Walter taught him the trade, now he is very much in the side-car to finish off the job



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Mixu 6 - 2 ,

queensferry...... 26/04/2009 12:34:24
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The eagle has landed - the whole 28 staine of it !...........................................

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