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Scotland 0 Norway 0: Miss is as good as a mile for Scots



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Published Date: 12 October 2008
CHRIS Iwelumo had better brace himself. Stick like he's never known is coming his way. Notoriety like he couldn't have envisaged. Poor guy. Today, tomorrow, next week, next year and for many years after that we're going to be talking about what he did here, the moment of jaw-dropping profligacy that saw him fail to convert the sitter to beat all sitters, the mother of all sitters, the über-sitter.
With 64 minutes gone, Scotland were finally showing some signs of life in a game that was, up to that point, dominated by the Norwegians and by John Carew in particular. George Burley had changed his system around by then, Iwelumo and Steven Fletcher forming a two-man frontline where previously only one (James McFadden) had been. The restructure gave them impetus, for sure, and then it gave them a gift of a chance, wrapped in a pretty bow and presented on a silver salver.

Gary Naysmith went galloping up the left before sliding a ball into Norway's six-yard box, populated by Iwelumo and nobody else. The stadium looked to the linesman but his flag stayed down. The stadium looked to Iwelumo who had a two yard tap-in for glory. He went at it with all the grace of an octopus falling out of a tree, attempting to put it in with his right in-step but putting it high and wide. It was a deeply dramatic moment of profound misery for the debutant. It was mortifying for Burley, too. Iwelumo's introduction into the squad has been his big idea so far, his pet project. Putting him into the action ahead of Kris Boyd was a call few people would have made. Burley made it and it cost him.

Some context here, though. Scotland would have gotten away with murder had they won this. In truth, a draw flattered them, not that anybody should be grateful for that. A point is the absolute most they deserved but it was precious little use towards World Cup qualification, which is now looking like it might be too tall an order for Burley's men to deliver. Say Scotland do eventually scramble their way into runners-up spot in the group. The way things are going, the runner-up from this pool will be the one team to miss out on the play-offs. A grim day all-round. Burley is on the back foot once more.

It was a day that was anxious right from the start. Burley went for a 4-1-4-1 formation, McFadden up on his own, Scott Brown playing in the hole behind the midfield. Brown did well, McFadden hardly got a kick. As the first half wore on, the road to the World Cup seemed to stretch out longer and longer. Every time Carew got the ball, which was often, a stadium held its breath. Carew was played in behind the Scotland defence repeatedly. From the ninth minute, when Steffen Iversen put him through and Gary Caldwell just about managed to put him off, the big Aston Villa striker was a gargantuan nuisance.

Carew forced a save out of Gordon soon after and more danger followed. He had a small sniff just before the half-hour but couldn't get a decent shot away and with five minutes of the half remaining yet more ball was fed into him, via the head of Fredrik Stromstad. His header came in from the left and if it wasn't for Weir being alert then Carew would surely have scored. As it was, the Rangers defender made enough of a pest of himself to harry Carew into shooting tamely at Gordon.

There wasn't a lot happening for Scotland. Too many misplaced passes to mount any kind of pressure. No tempo to their game, no goal threat, too many players, like the pedestrian Darren Fletcher, just not at the races. James Morrison had a half-chance from a header at Norway's back post but that was the size of it. Small comfort for Burley. Minuscule comfort.

The new half brought a galvanised Hampden and the kind of noise that is the stadium's trademark. And then it brought another chance for Carew, pushed away for a corner by Gordon. For a must-win game, Scotland looked in terrible danger of losing this. That very thought clearly entered Burley's mind as well for as early as the 56th minute he was making significant changes to his team. Off went McFadden and Morrison and on came Iwelumo and Fletcher.

Scotland immediately began to play with purpose. Shaun Maloney, who had been a silent figure, began to do his tricks. It all looked like it was going to come together nicely when Naysmith came tearing in from the left and squared that ball to Iwelumo. God help him, he'll not sleep for a month after his miss. Waves of blue now. Maloney cut inside and thundered a drive wide. Moments later he got a shot away that might have caused Jon Knudsen in the Norway goal some palpitations had it not been for Brede Hangeland getting his to toe to it and putting it out for a corner.

All the time, of course, there was the threat of the sucker-punch, the living nightmare of a Norway winner. Kjetil Waehler could have got it from a diving header off a corner, Iversen should have got it after chesting down a Morten Gamst Pedersen cross and hitting it on the volley, Gordon saving well. Carew thought he'd got it after Weir was caught by the bounce of the ball but the striker fired over. For Scotland, Steven Fletcher was a fraction of an inch from getting it when narrowly failing to connect with Kris Broadfoot's cross.

In the end, nobody got it. Burley's now got five months to stew on things. Five months that will seem like an eternity.

MAN OF THE MATCH

John Carew was the prickliest of thorns in Scotland's side all day. It's a wonder he didn't score, but he certainly put years on David Weir and Gary Caldwell with his pace and his goal menace.

QUICK FACT

George Burley is an attack-minded coach but his team has a poor goal-scoring record. Just two goals in three competitive games now and four in six overall.

TALKING POINT

What was Chris Iwelumo thinking? How is it possible for a striker who is scoring regularly at club level and is full of confidence to fail to convert from a few yards out. This will bamboozle us for the rest of our days.

KEY MOMENTS

Carew fires early warning (20 mins)



John Carew turns David Weir and bursts past Gary Caldwell. Craig Gordon, however, gets his angles spot on, forcing the Aston Villa striker to shoot across goal. Although Carew's effort is laden with power, the Sunderland stopper beats it away.

Iwelumo's incredible miss (64 mins)


Scott Brown feeds Gary Naysmith and the left-back's low cross takes out Knudsen. Somehow, Iwelumo puts the ball wide from inside the six-yard box, with an open goal gaping.

Iversen blows chance to win it for Norway (85 mins)


Morten Gamst Pedersen evades Brown's challenge and stands up a cross at the back post for an unmarked Steffen Iversen, whose low effort is straight at Gordon. A glorious chance wasted.

Broadfoot's ball missed by everyone (90 mins)


Kirk Broadfoot finds space on the right and plays a delightful ball into the six-yard box. All it needed was a touch, but both Steven Fletcher and Iwelumo fail to connect to score the winning goal.

Sports writer Andrew Smith will be online for a live discussion of yesterday's match from noon. Click here to join the debate.


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1

Elizabeth I (1558-1603 AD),

edinburgh 12/10/2008 00:07:01
Dear oh dear oh dear. Scotland failures again. 1998 a distant memory - the last time Scotland qualified. Incidentally, in the France '98 Scotland only gained 1 point in the group of 4, and lost to Morroco 3-0. So even when Scotland do manange to actually qualify they end up total failures anyway.
If only Scotland could go as far as England and win the world cup, or at least get to the quarter finals or semis like they have done before. It must really hurt the so called "tartan army" knowing that their neighbours are doing so much better than them. I hope they don't feel too sad, and suffer from small country syndrome too much.
2

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12/10/2008 00:08:05
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3

scottish person,

paisley 12/10/2008 00:25:29
11 below average, cant even trap a ball diddies. Ive had it!
4

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12/10/2008 00:28:23
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5

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

12/10/2008 01:35:51
look on the birght side chris at least you dont play in the spl.
6

Richardinho,

12/10/2008 01:52:14
#1 You quite admire absolute dictators do you?
7

King O The Picts,

North of the Mason Dixon line 12/10/2008 04:43:44
#2 absolute poetry, I could not put it better.
8

GrahamBCN,

12/10/2008 07:23:08
#2 & #7

Sad and embarrassing.
9

roughrider,

Glasgow 12/10/2008 07:37:29
The diddy who missed the mother of all sitters should never again wear a Scotland shirt.
FBANNY.
10

UrbanFox,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 07:54:00
Scottish football needs a new vision, bold initiatives designed to greatly improve our ball-handling skills. Instead we have the stale and sterile SPL setup dominated by the OF. Instead we have the impotent Gordon Smith. In office, not in power.

Expect more of the same. For years. And years.
11

Mike Masterton,

12/10/2008 07:59:23
# 2 Pathetic, at least they know how to score goals !
Another poor result from a bunch of no hopers.
Open goal....!!!!!!!!!!Burley GO !
We would do better with Kenny Dalglsh holding the reins
12

Al Pacino,

12/10/2008 08:21:41
Hard not to feel sorry for Iwelumo. He's a good striker playing at at higher standard each week than anyone in the SPL and his big moment went badly wrong. People might recognise his set up play was actually very good, he won lots of ball and looked a handfull for Norway. Overall the reality is that both teams looked average and neither have any hope of doing well at the Word Cup- should they get there.
The root of Scotland's problem is still that our biggest clubs have too many foreign players and not enough Scots to choose from. This is not likely to change for many years unless clubs start going bust owing to financial problems ( credit crunch anyone?) and as a result we'll not qualify for any tournaments for a long time.
13

sparkie1955,

12/10/2008 08:21:44
POOR,been there before,we are just not good enough.NO2,AT LEAST WE ARE NOT ENGLISH,listen they are getting stick and they won,5-1,SCOTLAND are a poor side from from bye gone days.
14

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 08:37:51
Burley should be sacked.

How he could bring on these 2 diddy strikers ahead of Kris Boyd is beyond belief.

It was a quite staggering decision that failed miserably.

Even Wayne Biggings would have converted that chance.
15

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 08:41:46
Congratulations to England.

Scoring 5 goals is no mean feat.

The last time Scotland scored 5 goals, Richardinho was still a hemaphrodite.
16

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 09:03:49
#17 BTO spot on.

Burley should have had scouts at the Portugal Denmark game last month, just to see how its done.

I think its too late for him to save his bacon all the same.
17

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 09:19:08
15

Wattie does that every week to Boydychenko.....
18

Scythia,

Alba 12/10/2008 09:19:45
His team selection and tactics were poor, and the team is sliding down the FIFA ratings . Time to dump "Bertie" Burley, and get Smith/McCoist in part- time.

19

eric,

12/10/2008 09:30:30
England are still in with chance.not all doom n gloom.
20

Wee Fred,

12/10/2008 09:30:41
Is it any wonder our National team are mince?

We are fostering a generation of cradle to grave idle nomarks, junkies, spongers and obese spoilt brats.

Add to the mix some of our youth who avoid the above delights see themselves as Irish and the remaining pool is quite small.

Hence why we have to scour the lower leagues of England for mediocre players with tenuous links to a long lost Scottish granny.
21

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 12/10/2008 09:33:50
#19 Two threads and two anti-Rangers comments from you. It doesn't take you long to resort to type does it?
22

Rufus T. Firefly,

12/10/2008 09:36:01
19 Indeed he does. But he at least has other good strikers to call on.

Unlike these 2 duds that came on yesterday.

Especially considering it was a debut and it was a vitally important game.
23

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 09:44:09
23

Wattie indeed...does that to Bodychenko every week...FACT...

So stop greetin...and get yer paranoia under control....
24

Media 1,

cape town 12/10/2008 09:45:34
Burley played this Chris Iwelumo or whoever he is! When what should have happened was Kris Boyd...

If you have a natural goal scorer then you need to assemble a team around that goal scorer - what you dont do, is ask the natural goal scorer to play another game. Kris Boyd would play in a Stein ,Wallace or Ferguson side because they understand that a goal scorer will always get you goals - and goals win games
25

Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 09:48:19
Look around the globe FFS at some of the results;critisism of Burley(comparing him with Vogts in particular) is a way OTT!!
If Chris I. had scored half the numpties posting would proclaim Burley a hero.IMO Burley got it wrong by playing Faddy as a lone striker/should have brought Boyd on & left Faddy on and we would have won but thats football.
Thought Fletcher had another game that for the life of me i cannot see what he contributes.
However lets see where we are after wed nights games .Every chance that we can still get 2nd place.
26

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 09:48:33
BTO

He is 7th choice striker at the Brox....and it now appears the same for Scotland....

There is clearly something wrong with the guy that Wattie and George are reluctant to use him....
27

Media 1,

cape town 12/10/2008 09:52:48
Paulmac

Youre right, which is why Rangers will sometimes lose against mighty St Mirren -
Smith has the same illness as Burley and some other managers when it comes to Boyd!
They want the natural goal scorer to change his game to suit the rest of the team, as opposed to assembling the team around Boyd -
He will get you goals!!

Tell you what, if Boyd played for Celtic he would score a barrel load. Because CELTIC unlike most Scottish football teams, celebrate good strikers and attack as opposed to defend..Boyd would score 35 plus a season at Celtic Park and the rest of the team would do what they needed to do in order to supply him..
28

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 09:52:48
28

You are correct that playing Faddy up front alone was an awful decision....

As soon as they brought on Iwelumo and Fletcher...they were able to hold the ball up front....we won more balls in the air....which allowed our midfield to push forward more effectively....

The Faddy set to start with was just poor judgement...
29

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 09:57:24
32

It wouldn't surprise me if he was punted on in January...
30

tartan army 2222,

12/10/2008 09:59:48
Don't know what game Tom English was at but it wasn't the same one as me. To argue that Norway controlled the game is just nonsense. They had three or four chances and, tbh, little else. Scotland weren't great but they weren't bad. And remember they had four starters out.

This was different from the Vogts era. Vogts' team was just utterly disorganised and lacked motivation. This was simply a poor team selection - the organisation and motivation seemed to be there. To play one striker at home against an underdog is ridiculous. To make that striker a small player like McFadden is even more so. To leave out a striker who has started six games for Scotland (Kris Boyd) and scored six goals is unbelievable.

Positives? Scott Brown's return to form. Iwelumo, apart from the miss, looked quite good (but this will be overlooked due to teh fluffed shot).
31

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 10:01:02
35

You certainly can't expect him to play up front by himself against the land of the giants....and punt long balls to him....

The ball was coming straight back 8 times out of 10...

It amazes me it took Burley until the 55th minute to realise this and change it....

32

dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 12/10/2008 10:04:19
the worst thing about a miss like that is that its all that people might focus on, an excuse, an 'if only'. In reality we were oor for most of the game. A slightly better - and only slightly - opposition would have beaten us. It was embarassing to see Calderwood and Weir getting skinned by Carew. Not good enough.

Again, a game where our manager took about 60 minutes before thinking 'ah! thats how we should be playing'. Too late. Again.
33

Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 10:05:54
#37 thank fcc someone saw the same game as me....Norway were poor.STATS will confirm Scotland had the vast majority of possesion.Three games/two away v our rivals for 2nd place : W-1 D-1 L-1

Far from the end of our chances to qualify.
34

Helter Skelter,

12/10/2008 10:08:06
36

If Boyd is still at rearrangerz after the close of the january window it will be due to there being no bids.

Cardiff made a bid during the summer and but for the turmoil going on at ibrox at the time re. Cuellar I think Minty would have grabbed the money and ran.

It made no sense to hold onto Boyd after going out and spending £7m on three new strikers. Boyd was a fringe player last season and his time at Ibrox was obviously up.
But the rearrangerz fans were in uproar about Cuellar's departure and cashing in on Boyd might have been a step too far.

Come Xmas, Minty will be hoping that it will be a bit more pallatable to the 'bile mongerers' and if someone will step forward with a £2m-£3m bid, he'll bite their hand off.

Minty will need to raise a lot of cash this year as some are forecasting that rearrangerz loss this financial year could be over the £12m mark and they are already over £20m in debt.
35

radge dug,

12/10/2008 10:08:25
Burley is a dud. He was great at Hearts but it's obvious that he aint doing it for Scotland. Why did he play one up front at home??!!

Darren Fletcher a captain? He was invisible yesterday. Why take off MacFadden? Kris Boyd gets goals. Who cares if he plays for the Great Satan?

We had a great start in the Euro qualifiers. A cac one for the World Cup. We aint going. Change manager.
36

Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 10:09:45
#41 our central defence was old enough without you throwing Calderwood in...however as everyone conentrates on forward failings it was there for all to see that Weir should be retired gracefully from International football.Obviously McManus will return but Berra should be introduced asap.
37

Helter Skelter,

12/10/2008 10:10:33
Champions' Celtic have debts of £3m and are on target to reduce that to nil after the current financial year.
38

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 10:11:11
43

Their current debt Helter is somewhere north of £30m...
39

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 10:14:39
46

I see his wonderland plans have been thrown into the arena again....

But strangely it's now down to £350m with partners required to fund it.....no phuckin kiddin.....

Oh and GCC are responsible if it don't.....the get out is in place...
40

Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 10:19:46
#48 and you are too intent trying to introduce Hearts into a Scotland discussion. My points are:
1. We were not AS BAD as the press/some previous posters would have you believe.
2. We still have every chance of qualifying.

Now stop 'attention seeking' & post objectively for one day at least . (your attempts at cloning Pundits style are pathetic BTW)
41

Dood,

12/10/2008 10:27:08
Burley must be delighted that Iwelumo's stealing the headlines. This only detracts from his 55 minutes of incompetence yesterday.

Norway are average and were there for the taking. Only tactical ineptitude failed us yesterday.

PS - 43, 46, 47 & 49. Seriously guys, do you mind? It's a Scotland thread, previously un-infected by Old Firm Bile. The majority of us would rather keep it that way. Cheers.
42

ideewcairnsfixe,

12/10/2008 10:39:22
ah really like the way the celtc minded bampots use a Scotland thread to display their bigotry.
If anything shows that their hatred for Rangers/Protestants/Scotland is the most important factor in their lives it is their inability to make any rational comment on any event without their bile showing through.
43

!,

UK 12/10/2008 10:40:13
I would like to say well done Norway who should have won anyway since they looked more dangerous going forward. Scotland can't score anymore and they also can't defend either. Qualification is over losers.

Good luck against Argentina (NOT) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha etc.
44

Helter Skelter,

12/10/2008 10:41:20
49

Yes I found Minty's latest statement about the redevelopment of Ibrox hilarious...I did actually burst out laughing when I read it yesterday.

First of all, it was all the council's fault that Minty was 5 months late in making the announcement.
Did anyone notice Minty during the last 5 months complaining about any delays by GCC ? I didn't, but there has been a deafening silence.

And then suddenly the figure of £350m leapt of the page at me ...Minty at a stroke has effortlessly cut in half the entire project without a murmur of explanation.

And then to cap it all, Minty doesn't know where the finance is coming from to fund the whole thing...Minty tells us that he needs to FIND some 'partners' in order to pull this off.

What will happen now ? It's just a wild guess, but me thinks we'll hear nothing more for about a year or so at which point Minty will announce that he has found his partners who are going to finance the £175m project , that the planning application is proving complex and may take a couple of years.

Then it'll be down to an £85m project funded largely by the national lottery and there will be diddly squwat in the deal for rearrangerz.
45

Ken S.,

Reading 12/10/2008 10:41:27
On the politics thread, Scotland achieving the same result as Norway would be regarded as a good thing ;-)
46

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 10:46:39
#52- ReaRangers does not = Scotland`s protestant

That tie was long since cut by people like yourself.

On to the football.

If we do punt Burley, who next?

McGhee's stock is dropping, Dalgleish probably wont want it? Moyes is about to sign a new deal at Everton for 5 years? "Walter" walked out of the job...

Jim Jefferies?? For the love of God no!!
47

ideewcairnsfixe,

12/10/2008 10:55:34
#56
Garbage, the Rangers haters are a bunch of Scotland hating sein feiners spewing rubbish, they are beyond all rational discussion.
48

Dr No,

12/10/2008 10:56:28
I thought the discussion was about Scotland but it seems that we are being pushed to discuss that Irish team by Paulmac and Media 1.

49

Helter Skelter,

12/10/2008 10:59:25
57

'Scotland hating sein feiners'.

Such an elegant turn of phrase. Tell me, do you find the song 'Ah'm rainjurz 'till ah die' a moving narrative that touches the soul in much the same way as might one of Shakespears' sonnets ?
50

Keyboard supporter,

12/10/2008 11:00:46
How predictable - supposed Scotland thread & "sellik" taleban all over it.

Game was cack
McFadden too slow for lone striker
Fletcher can't dictate play like Barry can
Iwelumo (miss aside) is a big coo
Ronnie Brown needs AK47 justice - just stop it seriously!!!!!
51

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 11:00:53
#57 - No retort i could make would show you up any more than the post you have just made.

well done and thankyou.

52

Black Five,

edinburgh 12/10/2008 11:38:33
What a shower.I said I feared playing the likes of untried and clueless C O .He may have scored goals in the Championship but this is International football and he`s no International.Burley must go now.We dilly dallied around with Berti and lost World Cup qualification.We`ve 6 months before the Holland game and with the right manager making the right team selection and shape it`s not all lost.Stay with Burley and we`re not going to S A .
53

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 11:51:44
#62....who is the right manager?

No Scots manager is available, or would take it.

We don't do foreign coaches very well with respected guys like Vogts (yep..he was a respected coach and winner of a European Championship as manager of Germany) and at club level, Le Guen (again respected before he moved to Scotland).

I see no outstanding candidates for the position.
54

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 11:55:43
Don't rate Boyd much but he should have started yesterday and he should start for LRFC.

I agree with the poster who said Boyd would score a barreload at Paradise, he probably would if he got a regular game but I doubt he'd get a game ahead of Sammi and McD or even VoH.

My understanding with why managers don't play Boyd much is because he's part of the drinking culture at Ibrox and his self discipline and fitness are under scrutiny.

If he could get his physique under control he would be a certain starter because he does know how to score a goal.
55

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 12:03:27
Kris Boyd has gone all militant now, proclaiming never to play for his country again under George Burley.

"Walter" will be worried at this new approach.

Surely, unless he is trying to manipulate the ReaRangers = Scotland fanz support, he should be consistent in his approach?

If he's going down the manipulation of ReaRangers = Scotland fanz route, he will find himself sadly disappointed as no one really gives a fig.

Ask Lee McCulloch....

Underwhelmed is the immediate emotion evoked.
56

Stars in your eyes,

Manchester 12/10/2008 12:05:20
Chris Iwelumo missed a great chance. It must have been a bad bounce of the ball, but there is no need to exaggerate how bad the miss was. It was bad as Iverson's at the other end.

I think a draw was a fair result. Carew had a few chances as Scotland went chasing the victory, but most defenders in the Premiership have problems dealing with him. He is a good player.

The second half was much better after the introduction of the two subs, and if Scotland had played that way from the start Norway could have been in trouble.


57

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 12:14:02
66

Agreed. Well summed up.

Had we won it would have been robbery.

Iwelumo's miss however was a howler one of the worst I have ever seen.

It brought back a memory of a game I played in and our right winger passed the ball to me in an identical situation, I thought this is easy and sidefooted it and it came back of the post and then was cleared. It was 1-1 at the time. I was getting real pelters from the punters on the sidelines. Luckily I had time and chances. I bagged a hat-trick and we won 5-1. But as misses go mine like Iwelumo's was a howler. I always remember walking off the pitch that day and looking for the people who were laughing and shouting abuse at me, but they had disappeared. I expect if Iwelumo does come back stronger and score a few for Scotland the critics will disappear like snow off a dyke.
58

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 12:24:14
58

More paranoia......

Nobody is pushing you into anything!

Boydychenko refusing to play for Scotland again....he's getting punted in January!
59

Stars in your eyes,

12/10/2008 12:28:17
67

I agree with you it was a terrible miss, but I think it is wrong that the media/fans should make Iwelumo a scapegoat for Scotland not getting the victory. As far I am concerned his introduction started to turn the game Scotland's way. Its a shame to make a howler on your debut, but thats football.

I hope Scotland persist with the a big centre-forward whether it be Iwelumo, or O'Connor, but we also need goal scorers.
60

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 12:30:50
57

"rational discussion"

Try it some time....
61

paulmac,

surrey 12/10/2008 12:33:14
52

You must be that element Minty was describing as....the enemy within....
62

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 12:39:01
Hi Paul

It always makes me smile when Losers Rangers fans try to give it the Scottish patriot bit. These are the same fans who:

Sing an anti-scottish anthem every week.

Wear England shirts.

Fly England flags.

Fly Ulster flags.

Give it Nazi salutes.

Support a german monarchy.

They are the world's biggest hypocrits.


63

Bleeding Heart...,

12/10/2008 12:45:30
#50 + #51 - Afternoon, Chaps. Nice comment, ToTT! Just where IS "pundit" these days?

Yet another family gathering in Ingurland? How convenient that these events seem to arise just after Rangers are humbled by "diddy" opponents?

And, Dood, it looks like your plea for sanity has fallen on deaf ears!

How do you guys think the league's oldest derby will pan out next week?
64

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 12:47:38
Ok let's get the criticism out of the way and play manager for five minutes.

Let's hear everyone's best current Scotland eleven.

I'll kick off with;

Gordon
Hutton
McManus
Caldwell
Wilson
Robson
Hartley/Brown
Fletcher
Maloney
McFadden
Boyd




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Dr Lloyd Berkshire-Hunt,

12/10/2008 12:50:34
Crazy selection. McFadden is a skillful player, but he's no lone striker.

Scotland have some decent players, they're not making the most of them.
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 12:51:24
Alternatively

McGregor
Broadfoot
Anderson
Berra
Naysmith
Ferguson
Thomson
Miller
O'Connor
Riordan
Fletcher S
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 12:53:03
My greatest ever scotland 11...

The Lisbon Lions
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Phil the Flooter,

12/10/2008 12:59:30
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Wheres Ingurland??

Is it near Scoterland?
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Stars in your eyes,

Manchester 12/10/2008 12:59:35
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Depending on injuries....

___________Gordon__________

Broadfoot___Caldwell____Wilkie___Mulgrew

_____________Hartley_____________________

_____Brown________________Robson_________

Maloney________O'Connor________McFadden___


Wilkie and Mulgrew are surprises but I think Scotland are weak in those positions.
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Stars in your eyes,

12/10/2008 13:11:17
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Hartley's not exactly getting much of a game a Celtic at the moment, but he was a good player last year. If he can recreate his form I would pick him ahead of Fletch.
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 13:20:29
Hartley's jam is consistently good. Esp the strawberry flavour.
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 13:23:18
Celtic fans have taken to Hartley after his performances in the last two OF games of last season. He dominated those must win games and bossed Ferguson and McCulloch.

He is a decent player butI think age has caught up with him now. He looks a bit less able than he did say four seasons ago.

That's why WGS rests him a lot.
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Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 13:29:37
The fella Morrison who played on the right was rank rotten yesterday too.

Another example of; just cos you play in the EPL, it doesn't make you immune from being KAK.

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Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 13:33:14
Just heard Iwelemo comment on the miss.

Seems like an honest big fella and put his hand up that he should have scored.

However....he then put foot in mouth by saying (paraphrase - but almost verbatum)"it wasn't as easy a chance as it looked"

bollix mate, Philip Sebo would have banged that one in.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 13:38:43
burley and butcher..........OUT NOW.......get big YOGI HUGHES in.perfect man for the scotland job.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 13:47:11
chris iwelemo's miss is a blessing in diguise for burley and butcher,it has taken a lot of flack away from the pair of them, and of course they will not be sacked by "brother" smith.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 13:48:44
bto, the last two managers were rangers men and they buggered off.
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Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 13:49:09
#95...Burley and Butcher are Rangers Men?

Which next candidate from the list of ReaRangers Scotland Legends should we go for?

Bring back John Greig??
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 13:49:20
LOL Hughes as Scotland manager.

I can imagine the after match interview.

How do you think the boys did?

Yogi: Wull ah fink we cooda jist pupped dem tae the post hud we taen aw ur chonces like.

And are you pleased with the team performance?

Yogi: Wull um urnay tae haaahppy like, but um no gonnay say the boize dun weel cos um urnay that kinda mon that gies aw the mccliches cos know ken like, um jist the monoger"

What an advert he'd be.

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obligor,

12/10/2008 13:52:25
"Walter" will be the most relieved person,having escaped any criticism whatsoever for Scotlands performance yesterday.

George Burley deserves credit for that and "Walter" recognises that he owes George one.


Well done George.
Isn`t it.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 13:54:07
99,so strachan,saint martin and burns were good orators?
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 13:55:08
102

Yes they were.
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Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 13:55:16
BTO - He'll be ReaRangers next manager by Jan/Feb after the second "Waltering" of "Walter".

His day will be full enough without the international job.
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Oh Yeah!!!,

12/10/2008 13:55:39
Boyd quits Scotland!!! See BBC website. NN - can't wait for your comments on this, usual p*sh I would think.
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 13:57:01
102

I went to amny events when TB and MON were speakers and both were excellent.

Also MON and WGS are always first on the list of pundits when the big tourneys come round - wonder why? It's becuase they are articulate and know the game.

Big Yogi is amicable but as Ian McCall once said "he needs to go to elocution lessons"
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 14:01:35
BTO

I'd have no probs with Eck being the scotland manager again. But I think GB should be given a chance, it's early days and under Eck and Smith we did carry a lot of luck.

In two or three years time the next manager is anyone's guess. It could be Eck, it could be Mark McGhee it could even be Smith after all he'll likely be unemployed by then.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:02:18
102. it's a pity stanley unwins dead.
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Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 14:02:55
"Kris has got to establish himself in the Rangers team, which he hasn't done," said Burley"

So, thats the comment (according to the beeb website) that Boydie has taken offence at.

In other countries, international players would either 1) buckle down to get in the club team and then international team or 2) move to a club which will give him 1st team football and support his international ambitions.

In Scotland....they blame the international manager and use it as a lever to apply more pressure.

Maybe an idea would be to direct the flack at "Walter" for not playing him.

A potential question for "Walter" would be:

" so, do you really think Jon CLod Archibald is a better player than Boyd? - Hos continual exclusion in damaging his international career"
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 14:03:16
Boyd quitting Scotland means his international career is over before it's really begun.

This is typical behaviour of a Losers Rangers player.

Remember; Goram, Big Dunk, Gough, McCulloch etc...

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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 14:04:14
110 Rorie why are you replying to your own posts?
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:06:02
if burley thinks boyd is not an established first team player,what in the name of fkcu is he got him in the squad for?
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:08:48
sorry tim, missprint.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:09:35
aye,and i dinnae kid on i'm in japan.
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Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 14:09:37
115

You could say the same about half the Scotland team.

McFadden was not established at Everton and now Brum.

Robson/Brown/Maloney and Hartley are not certainties at CP.

Fletcher is not a certain starter at Man U.

Boyd's problem is himself. He needs to get himself fit and stop bevvying with the boys.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:15:07
119, if you know boyd is bevvying with the boys,then burley must know that as well, so why is he picking a bevvy merchant for the squad?
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Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 14:15:40
BTO: with posters like me!!!!Then you follow it up with AMcC for manager if not Calderwood!You masquerade as an Actuary from Japan who helped coach Scotland & Arsenal who does not know the difference between wee Robbo(who u claim is your cousin) & JR from Not.Forrest fame.

Billy no mares craving attention.
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rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:15:54
121, i was in a big city yesterday.
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Daillyman,

12/10/2008 14:17:12
The tactics employed by Burley at home for the first 55 minutes were shocking. Needing 3 points he starts McFadden on his own up front against towering central defenders.

The glaring miss by the striker making his debut was inexcusable at any level of football never mind WC qualifying. Had he scored and we won the game Burley would have looked like a genius, so there are some blessings with the miss.

Burley proved at this level he is inept.

Having Boyd on the touchline to start was something I can understand, but when a goal was needed in the last 30 minutes he can do the job for any side and has proved it.

It is time to look at Mulgrew at left back, Berra and even Wilkie again at centre half, this is not a slight against Weir as he does his best but at 38 I would sooner he stick to club football. At least Ferguson should be fit for our next qualifier, and that should add some spark and experience to midfield.
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Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 14:17:40
mates not mares..
100

rorie,

alloa 12/10/2008 14:21:19
oh dear! mr. gardiner is getting upset.
101

Timothy Malloy fan of the champions,

12/10/2008 14:24:23
121

Rorie,

Why must Burley know everything I know?

I am not George Burley and he is not me.

Also it is an open secret that Boyd, McCulloch, Ferguson, Adam and McGregor are all big drinking pals.
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