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Scotland play Holland on March 28 - but who will win?

Thirty years since the dark day Peru burst Scotland's World Cup bubble

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Published Date: 03 June 2008
TEMPERATURES and expectations were rising steeply as May petered out 30 years ago. World Cup fever was upon us, and the nation was looking forward with mounting self-confidence to the Scotland team's first match, against Peru on Saturday 3 June.
With Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Joe Jordan and Martin Buchan among its star names, this was one of the finest Scotland teams in living memory. What is more, Ally MacLeod's team appeared to have luck on their side, as they were drawn to play Iran in their second match, four days after the Peru game. By the time we played the Netherlands, both teams could already have qualified from the group.

Click here to watch highlights of Peru vs Scotland

Peru were past their best. Eight years earlier they had reached the quarter-finals of the World Cup, but their most acclaimed players, such as Teófilo Cubillas, were veterans. No, make that old men. They would wilt in the heat, surely. On that misguided basis, MacLeod had not had them watched.

This irrational mood of inflated confidence, so different from the self-doubt which had for long enough been the default setting of Scotland's sporting psyche, had been stoked up by MacLeod. The manager had talked of going to Argentina and coming back with a medal – "hopefully gold".

In the Home Internationals, though, Scotland, the only team from these islands to qualify for Argentina, finished third after drawing twice then losing at home to England. If there were warning signs, they went unheeded.

James Naughtie, now of Radio Four but then on our staff, wrote of the squad's heroic Hampden farewell to those fans who would be unable to make the long journey to South America. 'Argentina here we come' was the headline on Naughtie's report, which talked of an "ecstatic Hampden send-off in which the players paraded in front of a 20,000 crowd". The feeling that this was a lap of honour before a ball had been kicked was strengthened by a banner on the old terraces. "Argentina: We Came, We Saw, We Conquered".

With two days to go before the big game, we reported that "giant" television screens "measuring six feet by four feet" were selling by the hundreds as workplaces and entertainment venues got ready. The cost of £3,500 was no deterrent. The country had bought into this dream together, and we were going to watch it become reality together.

Sager voices did utter the odd word of caution, but they tended to be lost among the babble. In The Scotsman's four-page, black-and-white, non-singing, non-dancing World Cup supplement, for example, Ian Wood, then our sports editor, listed Peru's Juan Carlos Oblitas among his "12 to watch" at the tournament. And on the morning of the match, Mike Aitken reminded our readers that Scotland did have a tradition of not doing well at World Cups, with just a single victory in the finals to our name, and contrasted that with "the commercialised euphoria of the past six months".

The whole of Britain was behind us, or at least it was according to a telegram sent to MacLeod by the Conservative leader Margaret Thatcher, who was then less than a year away from becoming Prime Minister. "Everyone in the UK is rooting for Scotland as they start their bid to bring home the World Cup," the celebrated lover of all things Caledonian wrote. "I wish them the luck to go with their undoubted ability and determination".

The day itself dragged on forever. Kick-off in Cordoba was not until 8.45pm UK time – how could we kill all that time? But kill it we did, and eventually kick-off rolled around. For most of the first half we held reality at bay. Scotland were not playing well, but Joe Jordan gave us the lead after quarter of an hour.

Even when Cesar Cueto equalised just before half-time, we knew the team could get the show back on the road. And perhaps they would have done so had Don Masson scored with a penalty after an hour, but instead his spot-kick was easily saved. Galvanised by the let-off, Peru took charge of the game, and claimed the points with two late goals from Cubillas.

That result spelled an instant end to Scotland's romantic era. The ignominy with which the team crashed back to earth was compounded by the subsequent banning of Willie Johnston for taking a prohibited substance before the match.

Four days later we drew with Iran, and MacLeod was shown squirming on the bench, tearing out what remained of his hair. Victory in the final match against the Netherlands was not enough, and the early plane home beckoned.

And what of Peru? They qualified from the group along with the Netherlands, but in the second group section they became the fall guys for their larger South American neighbours. They lost 4-0 to Brazil, then faced Argentina. The host nation needed to win by five goals to progress, and lo and behold they did, winning 6-0 en route to the final, where they beat the Netherlands 3-1.

Thirty years later, the very mention of Peru or Cubillas sends a shiver down the spine of Scotland fans of a certain age. If we thought back then that life would never be the same again, we were right.

Peruvians still bask in glory game

PERU'S resounding victory over hapless Scotland was greeted with euphoria across the Andean nation.

Javier Diaz, 72, who watched the game on TV at home in Peru, remembers the tie fondly and the boost the 3-1 result gave the entire nation.

"For Peru to win against a European team was something special," he said. "To have even been there in the World Cup was enough, but to then go and win by 3-1 against a big opponent like that was something tremendous. If it was the United States or England or France it would be the same.

"I remember watching the game on the TV at home. I remember we were being beat 1-0, but Teófilo Cubillas, who was a great player, scored two goals in the second half and we won."

Peru had been virtually written off in Scotland, though Diaz said people at home always fancied a glorious triumph as the country produced perhaps its most successful ever crop of players. "I think we probably did expect to win even if no-one else did, but 3-1, well, that was incredible," he recalled.

"People were celebrating in the streets. The psychological boost for the nation as well was beyond words.

"We have not been to another World Cup since then, so you can see how far we've fallen. In 1980 we had a military junta, and then Fujimori, and that destroyed everything socially and economically and of course to sport.

"We are now recuperating and have some good players in Europe, but that result is still a landmark even though we were eventually eliminated as well.

"Hopefully we can go on and get to another World Cup to add to the two times in the 1930s we got there, Mexico in 1970 and of course in Argentina in 1978 when we won against Scotland."

Bryan Kay


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1

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 00:29:50
It can't REALLY be 30 years already, can it?

2

Radge Roberto,

barnton 03/06/2008 04:11:59
So I haven't had a good nights sleep for 30 years - that explains a lot and none of my Peruvian friends ring anymore.

I still liked the joke about Ally MacLeod and the pidgeons though.
3

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 05:04:22
Actually the Iran game was the real low point - I was so depressed that I used to cheer myself up listening to Black Sabbath
4

Lovetruncheon404,

NZ 03/06/2008 05:21:53
Ahh...as if Zaire didn't give us a wake up call. New Zealand, Uruguay, Costa fecking Rica etc etc etc...
5

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 07:44:30
I agree with Fayneant #3; the Iran game was THE worst.

I was working on the M11 motorway extension in 1978 and went in to watch the Peru game at my brother's in London - we sank a bottle of malt and still couldn't get over it.

The Iran game was in midweek so my weegie mate and I watched it in a pub in Saffron Walden, with about 20 English lads. They started laughing in the second half, Jock my mate blew a gasket and told them: "If youse don't shut up, ma pal and me will duff youse up". Amazingly and luckily I think, they shut up, but that was another lost night, for which wee Archie's subsequent goal against the Dutch didn't make amends.

But, at least we were there: "England canny dae it cos they couldnae qualify". Still the best single line in any hit record ever - Discuss.
6

Louis Catorze,

03/06/2008 08:08:02
Hold on #4...we beat New Zealnd 5-2. in Spain 82

And did Peru not draw with Italy in the same competition?
7

CharlieTully,

Cumbria 03/06/2008 08:25:10
It wasnt all bad - my dad gave me my first ever beer while watching the Peru game - can of tennants with a lovely picture of a girl called rose on the side. By the Iran game I was sick of drink!
8

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 08:56:59
6 - Yep we won 5-2, although a lot of Kiwis still think they won that game!

9

Teofilio Cubillas,

03/06/2008 09:12:05
#8

The problem being that in shipping two goals, the Soviet Union only needed to draw with us to go through. Hansen and Miller's famous collision ensured they got their draw (2-2).
10

Who?,

03/06/2008 09:12:28
The worst result in scotlands international history was the 2-0 away defeat against georgia last year!

Iran, Peru and Costa Rica at least managed to qualify for the world cup when they beat us, georgia were out after 3 games of the qualifying campain and fielded a goalkeeper (17) and two midfielders (16) who had never played a competitive game of football in their lives. From age grade games to facing Barry Ferguson in 7 days.

Q. In fact what do the Costa Rica and Georgia games have in common?

A. Alex Mcleish
11

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 09:24:30
Who is the joker who inserted the file that allows you to "Click here to watch highlights of the Scotland V Peru game".......

OUTSIDE,NOW!!!!
12

London Exile,

03/06/2008 09:24:47
emotionally the Peru game was the worst of the 78 World Cup, and probably of any WC Finals game for us, reasons being that we all genuinely believed we had a chance and it was the first game so the bubble, which had reached Bazooka Joe chewing gum proportions, was deflated with a huge bang.

we will never again go into any Euro or World Cup tournament finals, (if we ever qualify again!) with such huge hopes.

it was great media and Ally McLeod spin but we all bought it.

though when Archie put us 3-1 up against Holland, think we only needed one more to go through, 4-1 winners over Holland, how implausible does that sound now, my hopes were briefly raised again, until Rep or whoever it was launched one from 30 yards to put us all back in our seats!!
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Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 09:32:33
9 - Ah yes, the Hansen/Miller collision.

Funny how the guy responsible for that is now a football expert who is not shy about having a dig at anyone and everyone...

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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 09:33:00
Hmnnn...'78.Highlight was seeing Thin Lizzy at the Apollo with Phil in his Scotland top....CLASS!

Low point was seeing Willie Johnston hounded like an animal for taking a "Stimulant"...I'ts no like he robbed a Jeweller of a Diamond bracelet,eh?
15

Lochinvar,

Edinburgh 03/06/2008 09:35:38
What a day! Started off the day at The Meadows Festival watching The Mono's; The Valves and headlining The Skids!! Jobson telling the sound check man to "get on with it ya baldy b*****d we want to get hame for the game". Never been so gutted (well maybe 1986 at Dens) I lived in Muirhouse at the time and remember folk coming out on to the "landings" after the game to share the misery. Iran was undoubtedly a worse result (we scored with an o.g. F.F.S!) but I was still too numb from the Peru game. Still, at least we thought we were good. All this revisionist crap spouted by that bore Craig Brown about rewarding failure by including Ally in the Hall of Fame should be ignored. Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy! (as Ally never said)Get Ally in the Hall of Fame NOW!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 09:39:45
15...I agree, if only for the most gallus reply to a question put by the media..."What do you plan to do after Scotland win the World Cup?" MacLeod replied: "Retain it."..FABULOUS!
17

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 09:40:13
12 - I still think the Iran game was the real nadir - I mean, we couldn't at least score a goal for ourselves. A wind-assisted own goal off the defender's @rse was our only effort to beat the 'keeper. I was only 13, but I still remember how painful it was to watch. Once 'Super' Ally turned to the subs bench and looked past 40-goals that season Derek Johnstone to call on 'King' Joey Harper (a man so ahead of his time he was wearing a form-hugging shirt 25 years before the Italian side of the last Euros), I knew we were on our way home.
Oh the pain....Nurse!
18

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 09:46:07
I seem to remember that the "reward" for going further than the group stages was a Hillman Avenger to be shared by the ENTIRE team...Now there's an incentive to go out and give your all for the country...
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Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 09:50:45
18 - is that not an old Billy Connolly joke?

Avengers were the f@nny magnets of the day, well second only to a Ford Capri in that respect.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 03/06/2008 09:52:59
Comment 9 ,wasn`t that infamous collision in Spain.
That result still rankles me.I`m sure if Don Masson had put that penalty away we would have won the game.The real bad result was Iran.To think Holland made the final too.The players who went there must still think if only.....I think if only we had them now we might qualify for the next world cup which right now I feel is 50 /50.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 09:55:33
#19..Read "Hampden Babylon" by Stuart Cosgove and you'll see the section...

As for being a "F@nny Magnet"..There was a guy in my hometown who had a red one complete with White stripe,A La "Starsky and Hutch"...I suppose it was a magnet for f@annies right enough...
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Black Five,

edinburgh 03/06/2008 09:57:15
Comment 10 ...on hindsight that game must be about one of the worst alongside Iran.That`s why I`m very worried that we won`t make it to the World Cup.When it really matters we just bottle it.McLeish made a huge mistake there along with his overachievers.I feel the bottom line that we are still not goood enough.We have no real striker of any note.Not one is playing now in a top league.
23

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 09:58:11
LoL! True! Still, Starsky and Hutch was a classic series. They show it here on Sky on a channel called 'The Box'. Peeeyyyuuurreee Kwalitay, bythaway
24

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 10:12:01
Archie's goal aside,I seem to have forgotten the other results and performances of the team that campaign...

My most enduring memory was being in the Inverbeg Hotel,on Loch Lomond for the opening game between Poland and W.Germany (0-0, I think!) and having a rammy with German tourists who were cheating at pool..."IN CHERMANY,VE HAFF SREE SHOTS IF YOU MISS ZEE BALL" "Aye right ,pal"...many cans of McEwan's exports later we were the best of buds...AH! Happy days!
25

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 10:18:57
24 - The upside of going out of the tournament when we did was that I really got to enjoy the games that followed. Holland, Brazil, Argentina in particular all played some incredible footie - as did an Austria side who cuffed the English shortly afterwards (5-3 - is that right), and were for a short time my favourite other national side.
The adidas Tango football that was used for the tournament was the first to encompass a new flash design that wasn't all white (or orange) or white with black pentagons. It looked futuristic and went like a bullet or bent gracefully round walls and 'keepers.

My favourite goal was from the 3/4th playoff between Italy and Brazil - a shot from out to the right which bent in round Dino Zoff. It's probably a lot better in my fading memory than it was in real life, but I'm sure it was still a real belter.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 10:32:44
Fay...My other memory was of the media airbrushing of human rights abuse by the military Junta in Argentina at the time (Was an angry young man then,as opposed to a mildly miffed 48 yr old now!)....

I agree that,once we were sent homewards to think again...(Hmnn song in there somewhere..)we could at least sit and enjoy the footie and marvel at Kempes etc..Fab
27

Indigo Nightlight,

03/06/2008 10:52:29
#10

I think either of the two draws with the Faeroe Islands would easily be a worse result than losing to Georgia. As was losing to Costa Rica in World Cup 90, thanks to Roxburgh splitting up the successful McCoist/Johnston partnership to accommodate Alan 'I've played for Bayern Munich you know' McInally.

28

view from the grassy knoll,

worst ever 03/06/2008 12:09:32
faroe islands 2 scotland 2. still embarassing

agree 'rambo' was a numpty in CR game - i think you will find was bayern reserves he turned out for.....
29

LyonHearts,

le teil 03/06/2008 12:12:30
Yes and don't we all remember " Ally's ill-fated Tartan Army"?

The writing was on the wall when Andy Cameron released that dreadful eponymous record that accompanied the squad on their Argentinian debacle!

Mind you that was a useful Scotland side with players from Liverpool, Man Utd and so on...They were outstanding in qualifying and I especially remember a 3-1 home win over the Czechs and a 2-1 win at Wembley when the turf was relocated - magic that was!

Over confident, under prepared, badly disciplined (Willie Johnson's pep-pill incident for starters) and the worst set of curly mullets this side of the iron curtain!

Some pride was restored with a fine 3-2 over eventual finalists Holland with a brilliant individual goal by Archie Gemmill! It was all a bit late by then though!
30

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 12:21:58
The sad thing about 1978 was, it came a year too late for us: we had probably peaked at Wembley in '77, then on the South American tour which followed.

By the time the World Cup came around, Masson and Rioch had fallen out with Tommy Docherty at Derby and were never going to be right for Argentina.

I remember big Roughie, when manager with Glenafton telling a gang of us in the pub about that 1977 tour, how in Chile the whole delegation of SFA blazers went out to the local brothel, leaving the players in the hotel. They were out on the porch havin a beer or three when the SFA guys came back, there was a military junta in power and the SFA guys were ignoring the curfew.

A passing army patrol opened fire on them and all the big-wigs had to dive over the wall into the hotel grounds, leaving the players p***ing them selves with laughter, according to Roughie.

In Argentina the junta provided some lady interpreters for the likes of the SFA officials and according to some of the players, our guys got very familiar with them - at least somebody other than wee Archie Gemmill scored out there (allegedly).
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Ayewhitever,

03/06/2008 12:28:18
Great article and yes, like most I'm shocked that it was 30 years ago. The aforementioned comments from posters are equally entertaining and affirming of the importance of the event if you were a young Scot at the time. However, I am now slightly eased by the comments from Javier Diaz (that well known Peruvian bloke, 72, that hangs around the Haymarket Bar) that at least he remembers it and thinks we are a BIG team. Javier, go easy on the turps! 73 or above is not looking good.

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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 12:54:41
BTO...Southern Hemisphere....so seasons were reversed,or upside down...Failed my Geography higher so can't remember...

Star...Glad to hear that not only the team got pumped then LoL...
33

Skiver,

03/06/2008 13:03:57
#25

I know the goal you mean - there was so much swerve it looked like it took a mean deflection.
34

Timberwolf,

US 03/06/2008 13:04:20
The whole debacle of the 78 tournament started with the team perm that most of them got just before they left and looked completely ridiculous in.

The other thing I remember about 78 cup, were the stories of how the fans would get to Argentina. The one about a group of fans considering buying a submarine has always stuck in my mind from the papers back then.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:18:39
Met Roughie and Brian Whittaker (sadly departed)at a party in Rutherglen 79/80...and after a few drinks regaled us with hair curling stories of Argentina...So no perms...just shock...Hope that clears that up...
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 03/06/2008 13:31:46
The Iran game showed the cracks that were appearing in the teams organisation off the field - arguments about bonuses, poor coaching decisions etc. I think the Dutch game was the first time we played with Dalglish, Jordan and Souness on the park at the same time - imagine not fielding Souness! crap campaign but I got over it a long time back. File us with Italy 1966 etc its done. The most damaging thing is that Scotland regarded ITSELF as a footballing joke/perpetual failures for years later. I believe that is half the reason for where we are now (the other half is crap coaching, SPL structure etc etc blah blah zzzz....)


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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:35:21
Sadly I remember bg DJ and a callow youth called Souness going down the Peter Frampton route...Excuses ranged from "Its just a fashion" to Big DJ trying to wriggle off the hook by using the Laboritoire Garnier arguement that the tight curls trapped moist air and kept you cool in the Argentinian Autumn/winter...Aye right,Derek...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:37:43
Of Course...my own hair was doon tae ma erse at the time so I shouldn't give out about it!
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Pepper Pig,

In and out of the Maternity ward 03/06/2008 13:39:56
My lasting memory of the Peru game, just 2 days before my birthday, was, when Cubillas made it 3-1, I went for a bath and missed the last 10 minutes. I thought I was disappointed when Rangers were beaten by a dodgy penalty against Celtic in the 1977 Cup Final, but this was a whole new ball game. "It`s not the despair, it is the hope I can`t stand." John Cleese, Clockwork. Iran was worse, and Costa Rica worse still. The Faeroes, and a 0-0 draw against mighty Luxembourg in 1987 were the lowest. Losing 1-5 to England in 1975 was not to good either. Or 0-6 to Holland. Aargh!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:43:25
On another tack..Andy Cameron tells of the time he was on "Top Of The Pops" to sing THAT song and was pushed out of the way by Cyberpunk/tw@t Billy Idol only to be buttonholed by Andy's 5ft dad who gave 6ft 4 Billy the option of a walk outside..Tough guy sh@t it...
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 13:43:33
#29 Lyon - lay off We're on the March wi' Ally's Army please. It does have the very best line in any top ten record ever: "England canny dae it, cos they couldnae qualify." Sheer poetry!!!

I sometimes feel we take ourselves too seriously nowadays. We've been cringing abou Argentina for 30 years, England has had just as many disasters - 0-1 to USA in 1950, 1-7 to Hungary in 1954, losing to Poland in 1973, miriad penalty shoot-out calamities, not least Euro '88, which was their Argentina; yet their fans and media simply have a short rant but, come the next competition, they are certain: England are going to win it.

Or is it, as the Tartan Army memorably sang on leaving Wembley in 1996: "We're sh@te and we know we are", that reality hasn't sunk into our neighbours yet?

Jock Stein did give us a reality check, post Ally, but maybe it's about time we began to believe again.

BTW Swordsman, thanks for pointing out my use of smoke screen in my earlier post, Freudian slip maybe.

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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:43:57
Double from Archie...Memory is hazy though...
43

Teofilio Cubillas,

03/06/2008 13:44:26
#20

Yes it was in Spain'82. I was replying to comment 8.
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 13:45:42
#44 Gemmill scored twice against Holland; he claims he actually got a hat trick, since he reckons he got the merest of touches onto Rep's rocket and that deflection carried it away from Roughie.
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dundee8cologne1,

Dundonia 03/06/2008 13:45:44
#44 The other goals were both scored by Archie Gemmill - a penalty early in the second half, then of course THE goal.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:45:53
Star..a lovely use of words...."lit up" my day..;@)
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 13:48:57
BTO STUART KENNEDY...Currently deputising for Marty Feldman wi the biggest mutton chops ever seen...That traumatised me more than 78...HATED Mick Channon ever since...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:01:02
BTO got a bit mixed up there too...was '73 where Channon scored...Hated us with a vengeance...I reciprocated with interest....
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 14:03:44
My late father always maintained the 9-3 game in 1961 was the best Wembley for him.

He had a week down in London on a business freebie, which included stand seats right next to the royal box; they took in three bottles of whisky and had a hauf every time Scotland scored, to celebrate, and every time England scored, to keep up their spirits, then rolled home feeling no pain.

Hughie McIlvanney tells a great story about that game, about a well-heeled English couple leaving after the 9-3 game, to chance upon a drunk Scottish fan, lying in the car park in front of their car.

The wife insisted her husband tend to the poor Scots soul and insisted he ask if they could drop him anywhere.

"Buccleugh Street", was the slurred response.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:10:31
BTO was an armchair fan for most of Scotlands matches...only saw a couple live...82 at Hampden with Paul Mariner scoring the only goal for them..'87 friendly against the Rep of Ireland where Mark Lawrence stole 15 yards at a free kick to win the game 1-0 and a late '80s game where mojo scores an overhead kick in a 4-0 win..(Malta?)...
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:19:31
#60...Its been a PLEASURE to have a wee gas about the game without the attendant crap...leave it be..please!
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03/06/2008 14:31:39
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03/06/2008 14:34:51
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:37:51
Sorry Mate..Nostalgia not being what it used to be
I was really enjoying the to and fro without the usual stuff...Apologies!

As for Big Jim..passed away, as did Jim McCalliog,I believe? hopefully,I'm wrong there..
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 14:41:10
#64 - Jim Holton, there was a Tartan Army hero, remember his header against the Czechs in 1973.

Great story about one of his first games for Man U. The Doc, who was boss at the time told him to watch Martin Chivers, the Spurs and England centre forward of the time at corners. Spurs had this move, corner aimed at Chivers at the front post, he'd back head the ball across goal and Alan Gilzean would come in at the back post to head home.

First corner, Chivers goes up, Holton goes up behind him and clatters him in among the photographers. Nothing said.

Second corner, same thing, only this time Holton knocks him out. Chivers comes round after treatment, limps back on past Holton and tells him: "You're nothing but a dirty Jock b@*^@+d".

"Aye, and don't you forget it", says Holton.

Chivers went and played outside left for the rest of the game.
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 14:43:22
#66 Swordsman - Jim McCalliog is still with us, he runs the King's Arms pub in Fenwick.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:44:31
Star..Glad to hear it...Erm,how much fur a hauf...?
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 14:46:02
Sworsdman, don't know, only been in once, for a bar meal and didn't have a hauf since I was driving.
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Pepper Pig,

Off to maternity ward 03/06/2008 14:47:55
It is a real pleasure just to banter about football rather than have to reply to sniping from opposition fans. Jim Holton did not play in 1975, and it was Gerry "Shoe Interview" Francis that scored the opener. I watched it at my grandpa`s house in Stevenston. That was a bad one. But 2 years later I was back in front of the same telly, the day before my 11th birthday, June 4th 1977, watching Big McQueen and King Kenny score as we beat England 2-1, and take the pitch hime afterward. Miles better!
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03/06/2008 14:51:47
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:52:51
COME ON! STAR...A man fae Cumnock eating "Ootside" his ain hoose? Whit next?....Internal Combustion Engines and Space Travel.....;@)
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Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 14:56:15
Star..I'm fae West Renfrewshire where a "pre -theatre meal" means you eat before are admitted to surgery at the Royal Alexandia Hospital in Paisley.............
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 14:57:47
#72, 1977 was a very good one. I was working in Yorkshire at the time and I discovered how the Tartan Army always managed to monopolise the Wembley tickets.

Every registered team in England is entitled to a number of tickets for England games and the Cup final, but each team has at least one Scot somehwere in it, on the committee of the smaller sides; so, they didn't go into the ballot for cup final tickets, but every second year took all the Wembley tickets, kept what they needed and sent the rest back up the road.

The team I was with was entitled to ten tickets, the other Scot on the comittee and I split them between us.

Remember the year Ted Croker tried to ban the Tartan Army and on the day there was a great big sign up: "Mr Croker - We're over here", brilliant stuff.
65

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 15:00:08
#74 Swordsman, pleeeeeeeaaaaassssseeeee! I live in New Cumnock, which is totally different from Scumnock, even if we have to have that cesspit as a postal address and go to Cumnock Academy.

We're the good guys, honest and we get touchy when associated with the Scumnockians.
66

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:04:28
O'K. BUT thats STILL in Ayrshire, right?
Where I'm from we say ...Eyes,Toes,Seven,Women and you say...Een,Taes,Seevin and Weemin......Discuss...
67

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:05:37
AND why is every one called KEN?
68

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 15:07:32
#79 - not us Swordsman, Ken's frae Fife - ken.
69

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:08:53
O.K. In the spirit of the thread...

Song moment..Paul McCartney..."Pipes of Peace"
70

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 15:10:26
Swordsman - I used to work in Paisley and one of my mates up there kept telling everyone that Deliverance was filmed on the River Lugar, between Auchinleck and Cumnock.

That was hard to take,being insulted by somebody from Feegie Park.
71

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 15:12:55
~84 BTO, Agreed, but still better than the Frog's Chorus.
72

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:14:33
As a proud Johnstonian (no convictions),I can't comment on the Pirates,but I see where you are coming from...That said,"The Wicker Man" was filmed at Culzean Castle and I believe there were no shortage of locals willing to play inbred dolts....
73

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:16:03
Hopefully to echo the England defence for the next few..."Here,There and Everywhere..."
74

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 15:18:40
One of my mates was a driver on the Wicker Man, they only really filmed the arrival scenes at Culzean, most of the rest was filmed in Dumfries and Galloway - we Ayrshiremen tend to look down on the Gallovidians as 12-fingered, slack-jawed sheep worriers.

Galloway men tend to marry Stranraer girls, since they're easier to catch than sheep (allegedly).
75

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:24:32
Have the Movie,and of course,you are right.The idea of folk from Millishant and Monkton shuffling up the street with wide gaping maws and milky eyeballs was too much to resist...Village of the Damned etc
76

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:28:23
BTO..Never wanted to see it as the original is a classic...My wife worked with a girl whose mother took part in the Maypole fertility scene..How cool is that?

I had hoped that she was Britt Eklands "Erse double "for the seduction scene...but there you go...

BTW..If you were Edward Woodward...How,if you were pished call for a taxi..? try it!
77

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 15:39:21
Scene is Eddie,in his Hotel room trying to fight his "baser" urges, whilst Britt batters her erse ouside the door to get him to submit to said baser urges...Got me in 5 secs...Just like Kenny through Clements legs...RESULT!
78

Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 03/06/2008 15:57:00
Swordsman - Britt Eklund's erse and Ray Clemence's wedding tackle - even for a Johnstone boy, you've got problems
79

Swordsman,

Dublin 03/06/2008 16:05:12
Star..Nice one!..And with that I'm off to sit in the garden and enjoy the sunshine with a cheeky wee Heineken...Been REAL fun today...later guys and Goats........
80

stan free,

Cowtown, Alta 03/06/2008 16:30:52
really good book 'don;t cry for me argentina' i think, read a few years back - lots of insight on stuff such as the divisions btwn anglos/old firm/& the rest ; quotes from most of players - expect jordan ? i think

- in training archie g pings a shot past roughie - no net, roughie has to go and collect , archie turns to an anglo and says 'shilton would have got that'

archie mcpherson book - flower of scoltand? he claims fifa told ernie walker & ally if we'd beaten holland by 3 clear goals we still would not of qualified as would have been docked points for wj affair
81

Andrew Allan,

03/06/2008 17:41:48
The trouble with our team and country was we didn't treat those other teams as equals, and paid for this folly in judgement.
82

stan free,

Cowtown, Alta 03/06/2008 18:31:25
101 BTO

you doubt my word, sir ?

i will dig out the book tonite
83

Lovetruncheon404,

03/06/2008 20:45:06
#6 - we went out on goal difference. Noo fecking zeelund... *shakes head*
84

Xacobeo Hearts,

Santiago - but NOT the South American one. 03/06/2008 22:59:23
Forget Peru!!!

Forget Iran!!!

Remember Archie!!!

All hail that one sublime moment of a true Scottish footballing God.

For a few brief seconds anything seemed possible.

...and then there was Johnny Rep (sigh)
85

Xacobeo Hearts,

Santiago de Compostela 03/06/2008 22:59:58
PS: Although Roughie's haircut came a close second!!!
86

F Scott Monument,

03/06/2008 23:10:36
There is still so much lingering anguish caused by that game, judging by the comments posted above, that I feel it would be an appropriate moment to share this story. I met Teofilio Cubillas in Lima airport in 1988 (perhaps he could confirm this? #9 & #48!). He was being interviewed by a journalist having just arrived from the US where he had been coaching and was the only Peruvian that my mate and I were ever likely to have recognised. He was very amiable and spoke perfect English but we felt compelled to let him know that he had made 5 million Scottish people very unhappy ten years previously. He was amazed that the game had caused such evident trauma but was pleased to be able to apologise, officially and unreservedly, to the people of Scotland for having cuffed us. We made him sign Fraser's passport as confirmation of his sincerity.
87

Fayneant,

NZ 03/06/2008 23:36:51
Forget Archie's goal! The golden glorious memeory of that time is still Alex Cameron getting shoved around by a horses @rse - live on Scotsport!

 

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